Difference in Stock Dallas RM and the one Gilmour used?

[formerMember1]

I built a stock RM and like it very much.  Great for Clapton, formerMember1 Blackmore ,etc...
But what about Pink Floyd?
I heard somewhere on this forum that he used an Orange Sqeezer or something, maybe an Orange booster?
If that is true, is that the same company that makes the Orange amps?
Instead of building one of those, can i mod my stock RM to get that sound and still be able the sound i am already getting?

(I use a Fender Strat, and vintage amp)

i apologize if this has been discussed before, :oops:   i can't seem to find the answers on this forum.

thanx a bunch:D

[brian wenz]

Hello Hello--
   I think it's the Orange Treble and Bass  Booster.   Pretty similar to the RM [different transistor...]  except it has a tone control tacked onto the front of the circuit.  There should be a schematic of it around here somewhere......
Brian.

[MartyMart]

Please excuse me if I'm wrong, but i have a feeling its the "Orange
squeezer" compressor  

Google for "David Gilmour" and you'll find a gear list somewhere !

Marty.

[MartyMart]

..... I stand corrected by Brian ... in the exact same moment !!!

Marty.

[formerMember1]

thanks guys,

[cd]

Check out these links, and apologize to your wallet in advance:

http://www.guitarsite.com/database/Guitars/rec/152/
http://www.mikesguitarsite.co.uk/gear/pink_floyd/

No Rangemasters, or Orange Squeezers for that matter - but a compressor is a critical part of that tone.

[rumblefish]

What you mean is the "ORANGE treble&bass booster" which Gilmoure used in the Dark Side of the Moon area. You can find the schem here

http://www.geofex.com/ FX_images/orngbst.gif

[rumblefish]

Sorry that's the right link.

http://www.geofex.com/FX_images/orngbst.gif

[formerMember1]

it seems to me that the added tone control at input of circuit and the OC71 instead of OC44 transistor is the big differences.
but i heard from some posts on this forum and other sites that the tone control sucks tone and isn't useful since using the tone on your guitra will do the same thing.

i have to admit that for me and my setup the rangemaster is really versatile when using  a strats tone knob, whether it be clapton, blackmore, or neil young tones.
anybody else agree or not?

[BD13UK]

During the latter half of the 60's till about 74/75 I used a Rangemaster through an AC30 with a Strat, it could of course be somewhat noisy but it was extremely effective soundwise for getting that on the edge sound and great for pushing the Vox into feedback etc, I had less success however using it with Fender amps it just didn't sound quite the same, in the case of Blackmore I believe that He used the Hornby Skewes booster and Rory Gallagher the Rangemaster as apparently did Clapton when He was using the LP through the Marshall combo with John Mayall. Perhaps if You increased the cap a bit it would take some of the edge off and warm things up even more but RG Keens Technology of the Rangemaster is where I'd start to look although there are  plenty of Guy's here that can offer You much better advice on the subject than I can.

[formerMember1]

yeah actually the pedal i built was the austin treble blaster,(geofx)

hey everybody instead of posting a new thread and since we are talking about RM's.
i wanted to change my boost pot to a fixed amount.
i never ever change it, i always set it on full,
or is it  useful with other guitars??

[formerMember1]

 :oops:

[bwanasonic]

Well you could just measure the pot and stick the closest value resistor in there. But I would advise leaving it adjustable. You most likely will find that different guitars and amp respond differently to the RM, as well as different volume levels. I personally prefer a lower than maximum setting ( I find max. a bit harsh and transistory- 2-3 o'clock seems to be the sweet spot), and have tried the RM with a pretty wide assortment of guitars and amps, at both practice levels and stage volumes. There is also a whole other range of somewhat *clean* sounds that you can get by turning the RM's gain way down. Great for funky R&B rhythm playing. It allows you to use your neck pickup without getting too dark and muddy.

Kerry M

[brian wenz]

Hello BD13UK--
    Yeah, a good TB with a Vox is a GREAT sound!
Blackmore did use the Hornby Skewes with his  Gibson ES 335 and AC30.  Rory Gallagher also used the HB when he plugged his Strat into a Fender Bassman amp. [He always used the Rangemaster with the Vox.]  A RM-type treble booster always sounds like crap through alot of old Fender amps.......they are made to match up with English amps.
The tone control DOES rob some of the kick from the Orange T&B circuit. It calls for an OC76 tranny but I've made them with lots of different germaniums and they sound great [with a little bias adjustment...]
Increasing the input cap on a germanium booster can sound great if you want more of a full-range boost.........kind of like a warmer, "grainier" LPB-1.
Brian.

[Fret Wire]

Hi Brian, I thought the Hornby came out later. I always thought Blackmore used a rangemaster originally (AC30 & 335), then later started using the Hornby in the early 70's with his Strats. He dumped the 335 around 70' (In Rock & In Concert albums). When did the Hornby start production?

[formerMember1]

i might leave the pot in, since ya say that it is helpful w/ other rigs, but if i change my mind and replace it with a resistor how do i wire that resistor in it's place, i assume i would get a resistor that is 10 k like my pot?

also my pot has three wires,
one lug has collector wire,(wire coming from 2 lug of terminal strip)
middle lug has output(out cap, pulldown resistor, to switch)
third lug has "power" wire (wire coming from lug 5 of terminal)

only thing i am confused about is where i would solder the "3 wires" on resistor instead of them being on the 3 pot lugs.

Also does it mean that instead of soldering a pot with wires running to switch and terminal strip, can i just solder a 10k resistor on terminal strip to the "correct" lugs and then send a wire to switch.


one other thing if ya don't mid helpin on:
my pot rotates clockwise when effect is decreased, and counterclockwise for increase of boost, should i switch my outside lugs?
thanks

PS:it seems when ever i play clean i roll my strat vol back, i never really lower the boost pot for clean tones,.

[BD13UK]

For Brian Wenz !!!!!! I did a support gig with Taste around 1971 and I was surprised to see that Rory had the RM on top of His AC30 the same as myself but his was covered in tinfoil to try and stop radio frequences, without much success I have to say but it was still interesting to note that someone had done this as a shielding attempt

[brian wenz]

Hello Hello--
    Fret Wire--  I think the HB came out around '67.   As far as I can remember, Blackmore started using his tape recorder to pre-amp his Strat .   He probably used all kinds of stuff that we'll never know about!
   BD13UK--  That was the period that Gallagher used that white Telecaster for slide........what did he think of you using your Strat-RM-Vox combo??  What band were you with?
Brian.

[BD13UK]

Brian !!! I wasn't too impressed with Rory's Strat to be honest I just didn't like the feel of the thing at all, I also wasn't fully aware until that point that He was using a RM, I'd been using mine for about 4/5 years prior to this period as frankly there wasn't much else available at that time except the FF, I also remember seeing Blackmore use a tape recorder with his Marshalls and I assumed that this was for pre-amp purposes as there were no reels on the machine as I recall, at that time I was playing with a band called Salvation which later became Slik after I had escaped and Midge Ure replaced me.

[brian wenz]

Hello Hello BD [Brian]--
    So you had your RM in 1966?  I wonder when those were first put on the market???   A friend of mine thinks that maybe the RM wasn't the first treble booster ..........we were even trying to find out if there was a Japanese TB  that came before the RM.
Do you remember a guy named Bryn Haworth [played guitar with Fluer de Lys] ??    He played a Strat through a Fuzz Face [I think....] through a Vox AC30 .  He didn't crank the fuzz up to "12" like alot of guys were doing.....it seemed that he used the FF as more of a booster.
So Midge Ure replaced you?  That's better then me replacing Blackmore!!
 The funny thing about Gallagher's Strat was that it had a few NON-FENDER  replacement necks on it through the years [ they were all made to look  "old"] !!
Brian.