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[jacobyjd]

Taylor, i wasn't intending to advertise it. It's not for sale or anything (yet!). That was just a 10-minute photoshop job like. Trust me, if it was going to be a proper advertisement, it would look much better than that! I can't modify that post anyway.

jacobyjd, It's a SERIOUSLY tight squeeze in that box. There actually isn't any space for a mounting bracket. There's barely enough space for the tube as it is. HOWEVER, purely because it is such a tight squeeze, that tube isn't moving anywhere. realistically, i think it could do with a bigger box, but, it's grand as is.

Could the heat of the tubs not cause damage to the surrounding wires? Or will it not get THAT hot?

Heat's just one concern--if you're planning to sell that baby, you might want to consider locking down everything that shouldn't move and giving that tube a little breathing room. Then again, it wouldn't be much different from some other products in the boutique world 

[trad3mark]

Taylor, i wasn't intending to advertise it. It's not for sale or anything (yet!). That was just a 10-minute photoshop job like. Trust me, if it was going to be a proper advertisement, it would look much better than that! I can't modify that post anyway.

jacobyjd, It's a SERIOUSLY tight squeeze in that box. There actually isn't any space for a mounting bracket. There's barely enough space for the tube as it is. HOWEVER, purely because it is such a tight squeeze, that tube isn't moving anywhere. realistically, i think it could do with a bigger box, but, it's grand as is.

Could the heat of the tubs not cause damage to the surrounding wires? Or will it not get THAT hot?

Heat's just one concern--if you're planning to sell that baby, you might want to consider locking down everything that shouldn't move and giving that tube a little breathing room. Then again, it wouldn't be much different from some other products in the boutique world 

I went out to my local guitar shop today. First thing they said, they couldn't believe it was a 12AX7 based tube OD running on 9V. They explained how others in the market by such brands as Vox, Ibanex, and (i think) Rex, were either huge, or needed a special power supply. When they did plug it all in (to a blues junior in a custom snakeskin lolsome cover!) they said it sounded both vintage and crunchymodern. They reckoned they could sell it for ~ €150, but that's not something we can talk about.... ahem.... tayl... eh yeah. But they were very impressed. an hour later, the box wasn't even warm. Tube placement should be grand. It doesn't get near hot enough. It only gets warm, but not even a million miles close to as hot enough as to melt the plastic casing. The shop are now considering stoc.... i mean... nothing.

[tiges_ tendres]

Taylor, i wasn't intending to advertise it. It's not for sale or anything (yet!). That was just a 10-minute photoshop job like. Trust me, if it was going to be a proper advertisement, it would look much better than that! I can't modify that post anyway.

jacobyjd, It's a SERIOUSLY tight squeeze in that box. There actually isn't any space for a mounting bracket. There's barely enough space for the tube as it is. HOWEVER, purely because it is such a tight squeeze, that tube isn't moving anywhere. realistically, i think it could do with a bigger box, but, it's grand as is.

Could the heat of the tubs not cause damage to the surrounding wires? Or will it not get THAT hot?

Heat's just one concern--if you're planning to sell that baby, you might want to consider locking down everything that shouldn't move and giving that tube a little breathing room. Then again, it wouldn't be much different from some other products in the boutique world 

I went out to my local guitar shop today. First thing they said, they couldn't believe it was a 12AX7 based tube OD running on 9V. They explained how others in the market by such brands as Vox, Ibanex, and (i think) Rex, were either huge, or needed a special power supply. When they did plug it all in (to a blues junior in a custom snakeskin lolsome cover!) they said it sounded both vintage and crunchymodern. They reckoned they could sell it for ~ €150, but that's not something we can talk about.... ahem.... tayl... eh yeah. But they were very impressed. an hour later, the box wasn't even warm. Tube placement should be grand. It doesn't get near hot enough. It only gets warm, but not even a million miles close to as hot enough as to melt the plastic casing. The shop are now considering stoc.... i mean... nothing.

[trendyironicname]

I'm usually a very outspoken proponent for "business" but even I have a bad taste in my mouth.

[earthtonesaudio]

I went out to my local guitar shop today.

Did you show them the inside?   

[jacobyjd]

Yeah...I'm not thinking so much a heat issue as durability.

[trad3mark]

i did. They said it's just as crowded as some other boutique pedals. If it does go on to being sold, it'll be much neater, with some better quality wires.

[slacker]

Yeah it's as crowded as some boutique pedals but they don't have voltages and currents in them that could kill you.
Not trying to piss on your bonfire, but if you're going to start selling them you'd need to do a lot of work to make sure someone can't do themselves an injury if they start poking around inside it or that something can't come loose and end up sending 175 volts right up some poor bastard's wazoo.

[knealebrown]

Orange squeezer, paint didnt crack this time. Its only my second fully build pedal (not counting a few buffers and a true bypass box).

[trad3mark]

Yeah it's as crowded as some boutique pedals but they don't have voltages and currents in them that could kill you.
Not trying to piss on your bonfire, but if you're going to start selling them you'd need to do a lot of work to make sure someone can't do themselves an injury if they start poking around inside it or that something can't come loose and end up sending 175 volts right up some poor bastard's wazoo.

Oh i know that. there's a nice big warning on the underside, and another on the inside. Realistically, the only reason to open the box is to change the tube. As far as the high voltage goes, I used a thicker wire for the bits carrying 125V. I've given myself enough shocks through development of it that i can tell you for sure, it's not lethal, just painful. The 125V rail on the board is tiny too. about 3mm long, and is fairly well isolated. I'm going to work on putting it all onto a single, neat PCB, with things like miniature pots etc to save on space. It still has a long way to go before i look at getting it sold, but the fundamentals are spot on.

[jacobyjd]

it's not lethal, just painful.

Yeah, and I've taken a hit from a 220v line and it didn't kill me. This time. In different conditions, the result might be different.


Either way--sell what you want, but IMO, that build quality is far below what it should be to sell--for lots of reasons. Keeping repairs to a minimum and avoiding lawsuit from your customers (I'm pretty sure you'd need more than a simple warning printed on the back--there's a right way to protect yourself from lawsuit, and it usually involves a pretty formal process) are just a few issues that could give you trouble.

Additionally, have you dropped a note to the people who developed the elements of your build to ask for permission to use those applications in a commercially-available product? You might want to send some cash their way once you start selling.

[trad3mark]

there isn't really anyone to ask permission from tbh. The powersupply circuit isn't copyrighted, and the mainboard is my own work. My copyright law is spot on. It's all been checked officially.

As far as build quality goes, I already said it needed a lot of work before it's to be sold, incase you missed that. If/when it goes up for sale, i'll let you know.

[bean]

My new Partscaster...

[moose23]

there isn't really anyone to ask permission from tbh. The powersupply circuit isn't copyrighted, and the mainboard is my own work. My copyright law is spot on. It's all been checked officially.

As far as build quality goes, I already said it needed a lot of work before it's to be sold, incase you missed that. If/when it goes up for sale, i'll let you know.

I would think it's more about manners than the law. Did the people who helped you with the power supply know they were helping develop a commercial project?

[trendyironicname]

..spoils the bunch.

[Nitefly182]

Marc Ahlfs' Fuzz Driver (a non-Skreddy project)

[Adji]

Nice guitar Bean!! And a fellow fan of LACE Pickups I see!

[Nitefly182]

Taylor, i wasn't intending to advertise it. It's not for sale or anything (yet!). That was just a 10-minute photoshop job like. Trust me, if it was going to be a proper advertisement, it would look much better than that! I can't modify that post anyway.

jacobyjd, It's a SERIOUSLY tight squeeze in that box. There actually isn't any space for a mounting bracket. There's barely enough space for the tube as it is. HOWEVER, purely because it is such a tight squeeze, that tube isn't moving anywhere. realistically, i think it could do with a bigger box, but, it's grand as is.

FWIW I would never buy anything that looked like that inside, especially if it had a tube in it. You should go with a larger enclosure that has space for proper tube mounting inside.

[frequencycentral]

Did the people who helped you with the power supply know they were helping develop a commercial project?

Nope.

I get quite a few PM's about such things, I answer them in good faith, as many of us here do, either by PM or by posting helpful advice. It's difficult. There are people here doing very creative work and sharing it freely. Are there other people who are taking these ideas and making money from them? Maybe. Should we stop sharing our ideas for fear of others reaping the rewards? R.G. assumes that 99% of members here are 'blooming', implying that any advice given on any thread on this forum may well result in someone profiting from it. Maybe the figure is lower than 99%, but if we don't help each other we might as well shut down the creative element of this forum and just reverse engineer other people's pedals.

It would be nice to know people's intentions at the outset though. Reminds me of this thread: http://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/index.php?topic=81251.0 ........and this one: http://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/index.php?topic=82000.0

As for that particular high voltage power supply, I personally wouldn't build it into a unit that I planned to sell, for the reasons stated. A big warning sticker is no way to avoid litigation.

........oh, and trad3mark, will you share your 12AX7 pedal schematic with us?

[kurtlives]

Taylor, i wasn't intending to advertise it. It's not for sale or anything (yet!). That was just a 10-minute photoshop job like. Trust me, if it was going to be a proper advertisement, it would look much better than that! I can't modify that post anyway.

jacobyjd, It's a SERIOUSLY tight squeeze in that box. There actually isn't any space for a mounting bracket. There's barely enough space for the tube as it is. HOWEVER, purely because it is such a tight squeeze, that tube isn't moving anywhere. realistically, i think it could do with a bigger box, but, it's grand as is.

Could the heat of the tubs not cause damage to the surrounding wires? Or will it not get THAT hot?

Heat's just one concern--if you're planning to sell that baby, you might want to consider locking down everything that shouldn't move and giving that tube a little breathing room. Then again, it wouldn't be much different from some other products in the boutique world 

I went out to my local guitar shop today. First thing they said, they couldn't believe it was a 12AX7 based tube OD running on 9V. They explained how others in the market by such brands as Vox, Ibanex, and (i think) Rex, were either huge, or needed a special power supply. When they did plug it all in (to a blues junior in a custom snakeskin lolsome cover!) they said it sounded both vintage and crunchymodern. They reckoned they could sell it for ~ €150, but that's not something we can talk about.... ahem.... tayl... eh yeah. But they were very impressed. an hour later, the box wasn't even warm. Tube placement should be grand. It doesn't get near hot enough. It only gets warm, but not even a million miles close to as hot enough as to melt the plastic casing. The shop are now considering stoc.... i mean... nothing.

Dude stop pushing your pedal.

It's hack as hell and is not suitable for the commercial market at all. It needs a serious overhaul, using your own design ideas.