Pictures!

[trad3mark]

right. To clear this all up so there's less agro and more smiles.

I'm nowhere near selling this. I know that. Less neigh saying, more constructive critiscism. It still has a long way to go. In case you got lost, i was just telling you what the guys in the shop said. Yeah, i'd love to sell it, but right now, i don't have the time to commit to projects like this to get it up to sellable standards. Right now, it sits on my pedalboard between a Marshall Jackhammer and a Big Muff. That's where it'll stay. If i get close to selling it, i'll let you all know.

Secondly, as far as the use of the powersupply for commercial use. This goes back to my original point of it not being near ready enough for sale. If it does look like it'll go to sale, i'll formally approach the relevent people. When i first posted pictures, the first thing i says was a BIG BIG thanks to rick for help along the way. Maybe i should have specified that rick's user name is frequencycentral, but i assumed people here knew who he was.

IF i was going to get it to sellable standards, i've a lot of things i need to do before i even go near the pedal like register for things, set up other things, etc etc etc. AGAIN, it would be great to sell it, but right now, UNIVERSITY COMES FIRST. I'm sure all of you here would agree that i'd be better off focusing on university (I'm doing architecture, nothing to do with pedals.) and then put the needed effort in when the time comes, instead of rushing something and having a littany of problems down the line.

To clear up any confusion, i will reiterate my point YET AGAIN. this pedal is not for sale. It is not available in shops. It isn't even copyrighted.

Now, to answer your question rick/frequencycentral, I'm not sure what to do about the schematic. I've had a few people saying that if i would like to go down the route of making a business, to keep the schematic quiet for the moment, at least until i copyright it or whatever. I can give vague details about it like that it's based on a simple tube gain stage, but i think you'd agree that for the moment, it might be best to say nothing.

[Nitefly182]

right. To clear this all up so there's less agro and more smiles.

I'm nowhere near selling this. I know that. Less neigh saying, more constructive critiscism. It still has a long way to go. In case you got lost, i was just telling you what the guys in the shop said. Yeah, i'd love to sell it, but right now, i don't have the time to commit to projects like this to get it up to sellable standards. Right now, it sits on my pedalboard between a Marshall Jackhammer and a Big Muff. That's where it'll stay. If i get close to selling it, i'll let you all know.

Secondly, as far as the use of the powersupply for commercial use. This goes back to my original point of it not being near ready enough for sale. If it does look like it'll go to sale, i'll formally approach the relevent people. When i first posted pictures, the first thing i says was a BIG BIG thanks to rick for help along the way. Maybe i should have specified that rick's user name is frequencycentral, but i assumed people here knew who he was.

IF i was going to get it to sellable standards, i've a lot of things i need to do before i even go near the pedal like register for things, set up other things, etc etc etc. AGAIN, it would be great to sell it, but right now, UNIVERSITY COMES FIRST. I'm sure all of you here would agree that i'd be better off focusing on university (I'm doing architecture, nothing to do with pedals.) and then put the needed effort in when the time comes, instead of rushing something and having a littany of problems down the line.

To clear up any confusion, i will reiterate my point YET AGAIN. this pedal is not for sale. It is not available in shops. It isn't even copyrighted.

Now, to answer your question rick/frequencycentral, I'm not sure what to do about the schematic. I've had a few people saying that if i would like to go down the route of making a business, to keep the schematic quiet for the moment, at least until i copyright it or whatever. I can give vague details about it like that it's based on a simple tube gain stage, but i think you'd agree that for the moment, it might be best to say nothing.

I think it is hilarious that you asked for all this help to make your pedal work from Rick and maybe other people. They gave you the help you asked for assuming you were just building something for yourself. Now you are considering selling this pedal and Rick asks to see what the design turned out to be and you wont share. This is exactly like Jeff Doucette and the Creamy Dreamer episode. He asked for a bunch of help in working on his big muff clone and then went and used the info people gave him to sell a gooped muff clone.

Also, you cant copyright a pedal. You might be able to copywrite your board or layout artwork but a pedal cannot be copywrited. I seriously doubt anything in there is so original that you could get a patent either. It would be too expensive to be worth it even if you could.

[trad3mark]

sigh...

This argument is going in circles. Read the posts? the pedla isn't for sale. It's just on my board, where it shall stay.

I'm bored with this. It wasn't my intention just to rob Rick's power supply. As far as copyrighting, i know that all i can copyright is the board/schematic. But it'll only cost me about €10, so why not.

In case you missed the last post, and the bit that was in bold, it's not for sale. FFS. why is everyone so hostile!?

[moose23]

sigh...

This argument is going in circles. Read the posts? the pedla isn't for sale. It's just on my board, where it shall stay.

I'm bored with this. It wasn't my intention just to rob Rick's power supply. As far as copyrighting, i know that all i can copyright is the board/schematic. But it'll only cost me about €10, so why not.

In case you missed the last post, and the bit that was in bold, it's not for sale. FFS. why is everyone so hostile!?

Did you not say that you brought it to your local guitar and that they are now considering stocking it?

They reckoned they could sell it for ~ €150, but that's not something we can talk about.... ahem.... tayl... eh yeah. But they were very impressed. an hour later, the box wasn't even warm. Tube placement should be grand. It doesn't get near hot enough. It only gets warm, but not even a million miles close to as hot enough as to melt the plastic casing. The shop are now considering stoc.... i mean... nothing.

[Hupla]

sigh...

This argument is going in circles. Read the posts? the pedla isn't for sale. It's just on my board, where it shall stay.

I'm bored with this. It wasn't my intention just to rob Rick's power supply. As far as copyrighting, i know that all i can copyright is the board/schematic. But it'll only cost me about €10, so why not.

In case you missed the last post, and the bit that was in bold, it's not for sale. FFS. why is everyone so hostile!?

Sorry but I felt this needed to be said. This is probably the only forum I have ever been on that doesn't have a load of idiots that jump down your throat at the nearest mistake you make. The way you said everything here it seems that you are advertising a pedal, in which you used other peoples schematics without having the manners to ask for permission or letting people know what your intentions where. This is where you went wrong.

[trad3mark]

They reckoned they could sell it for about €150. That doesn't mean i signed a contract. I could say that i reckon i could sell my car for €4000. That doesn't mean i'm going to sell it.

Ok fair enough i might have come across as that i'm going to sell it. Apologies if i did, but for about the billionth time, it's not for sale.

now, can we move on. As you can see, it looks at home on my own pedalboard. WHERE IT WILL STAY, NOT IN A SHOP!



Doesn't it look much happier there than in a shop?

[frequencycentral]

It wasn't my intention just to rob Rick's power supply.

It's not my power supply.....though I may have had a hand in popularising it. I originally came across it here, although it exists in many forms if you search the web.

It's a standard technique. If you want something, find a suitable giant to stand on the shoulders of to reach it. 

Now, to answer your question rick/frequencycentral, I'm not sure what to do about the schematic. I've had a few people saying that if i would like to go down the route of making a business, to keep the schematic quiet for the moment, at least until i copyright it or whatever. I can give vague details about it like that it's based on a simple tube gain stage, but i think you'd agree that for the moment, it might be best to say nothing.

There are two types of people on this forum, those who ask and those who answer. Without the latter, there would be no forum. No answers, just questions...................

[elshiftos]

Time for an intermission 

A dual channel BSIAB2 as posted previously, but this time with some artwork kindly contributed by a chap at work. If you couldn't already tell, he's into grafitti!
He hand painted the background, scanned it and added the rest in photoshop. It was then printed onto waterslide to be applied to the box.
I like it! 

[jacobyjd]

By all appearances, it looked like you were saying that you were doing market research at a guitar shop, and your next step is to make revisions to improve it to make it sellable.

Again, I don't think many people care if you sell something that you designed from the ground up, then put together, manufactured, and distributed.

The issue is that you're even considering selling something with vital elements based on something designed (or revised) completely by others without either completely redesigning it yourself in the end OR planning to offer some reasonable compensation to those who helped you out. Your whole attitude about it stinks (I'm referring to the whole 'it's not copyrighted, so I don't owe anyone anything' statement you made above). It's a reasonable courtesy to compensate someone for their work.

Starting a business is fine. Making a buck is fine. It might be a dumb business move to try to jump into an already grossly-flooded market, but hey, it's just a side thing, right? However, starting a business and making a buck off someone else's work (without their express permission) is a *&^*&^ move.

It's nice to see that you're at least backpedaling a little, but I wouldn't expect a whole lot more free R&D work from the more knowledgeable members of this forum--whether you actually plan to sell or not.

[Slade]

Great build!!!
I like the font you used a lot!
Congrats!

[John Lyons]

[Processaurus]

Please take a course that deals with high voltage construction technique.  It is crazy having high voltage circuit rattling around loose in a metal box, tenuously wrapped in a little bit of cloth, even for a one-off, on your own pedal board, as you're responsible for anyone that might get hurt from it, as long as it exists, which could be quite a long time. A lot of unforeseen things can happen over a pedal's lifetime.

[earthtonesaudio]

@ elshiftos: that's a really great artist/pedal collaboration.  Looks awesome.
@ bean: gorgeous geetar!
@ trad3mark: here's an example of proper tube mounting in a 1590B: http://virtue-harp.narod.ru/0212233845.JPG

[elshiftos]

Please take a course that deals with high voltage construction technique.  It is crazy having high voltage circuit rattling around loose in a metal box, tenuously wrapped in a little bit of cloth, even for a one-off, on your own pedal board, as you're responsible for anyone that might get hurt from it, as long as it exists, which could be quite a long time. A lot of unforeseen things can happen over a pedal's lifetime.

On closer inspection.....
12AX7??

[bean]

Why not a sub mini tube? Wouldn't that help space-wise?

[davent]

Please take a course that deals with high voltage construction technique.  It is crazy having high voltage circuit rattling around loose in a metal box, tenuously wrapped in a little bit of cloth, even for a one-off, on your own pedal board, as you're responsible for anyone that might get hurt from it, as long as it exists, which could be quite a long time. A lot of unforeseen things can happen over a pedal's lifetime.

On closer inspection.....
12AX7??

http://www.amazon.com/JJ-ECC81-12AT7-Vacuum-Tube/dp/B000UMFQHA

[electrosonic]

MXR distortion+...

I was a little lazy with the initial prep of the faceplate, and didn't sand it enough. I used a eraser shield and a sharpie to try and salvage it, with mixed success. I kind of like it now though.

Andrew.

[Slade]

I like that, it's like that pedal was born with 80 years over it
Great design

[azrael]

Great build!!!
I like the font you used a lot!
Congrats!

Dual channel? So there's two BISABs in there?
Or wait, the channel switch just switches between the two Level and Gain pots? That's rather cool. A very useful function indeed!

[markeebee]

Dang!

I just did a series of graphics using graffiti fonts. And some of them will go on boxes that contain tagboard layouts designed by the mighty IVIark.

I'm not going to sell them, but I might give a couple to people I know, and in return they might give me some money to help pay for the parts and buy myself a beer or two.

Don't hate me!