"Still got the blues" Gary moore: Big Muff?

Started by Steben, October 12, 2005, 05:25:49 AM

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George Giblet

It was one of those Marshall pedals with the LED clippers.  Don't want to try to remember or guess which one - it's on line somewhere (in an interview).


Johan

..it was the first generation Guv'nor into a JTM45 head...

johan
DON'T PANIC

RedHouse

I'm not convinced he used a BigMuff, I can get that tone with my R9 and a JCM800 2203 on the neck pickup.

gez

No idea, but there was an old clip of him on the box the other night where he was demonstrating some of his chops.  He had one of those Boss jobbies (orange one, can't remember the name)...wow, I know a lot about commercial effects don't I ?!

"They always say there's nothing new under the sun.  I think that that's a big copout..."  Wayne Shorter

aron

I heard it was the Guv'nor. Enough to make you want to buy or build one!

MartyMart

Quote from: aron on October 12, 2005, 02:01:28 PM
I heard it was the Guv'nor. Enough to make you want to buy or build one!

I bought two, couple of years ago both were broken !
Needed new 9v snaps and some new pots, but they sound great !!

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Yun

i wonder how the re-issues stand up to the "vintage" ones eh?  Anyone compare em?
"It's Better to live a lie, and forget the past, then to Forget a lie, and live the past"

Johan

I know it was the Guv'nor, becouse HE said so..
just after that album came out, he was playing a couple of nights here in stockholm and the evening news on one of the tv-channels had a spot on it..intervuing him just after soundcheck and filming his rig, how he marked the spots on different places of the stage where he easily could get feedback on certain notes and so on..
"..and to get that tone, I use this"..(holding up a guv'nor) "...through the Marshall JTM45 over there..." ..."and of course, Peter Greens old LesPaul..."

..I wanted a guv'nor so bad...

johan
DON'T PANIC

johngreene

A google search came up with several different setups. This guitar player article actually shows one of them.
http://www.guitarplayer.com/archive/0504/0504_Features6.htm

--john
I started out with nothing... I still have most of it.

WildMountain

I didn't want a Guvnor, I wanted Peter Green's Les Paul.
Am I the only one who likes Peter Green's tone better (in fact a LOT better) than Gary Moore's sound?

tiges_ tendres

Quote from: johngreene on October 12, 2005, 03:38:23 PM
A google search came up with several different setups. This guitar player article actually shows one of them.
http://www.guitarplayer.com/archive/0504/0504_Features6.htm

--john

dod death metal pedal!?

Didn't think I'd see that in his setup!
Try a little tenderness.

petemoore

   The Les Paul [P Green's] would be nice...
  I loved that JTM45 I had..
Convention creates following, following creates convention.

ocelot

It is the classic setup of a Marshall and a Les Paul. I believe it it a JTM 45 with a Guvnor HOWEVER the sustain comes from the Les Paul. I am a Fender man but u have to like that tone

DDD

It seems he used magnetic sustainer built in his guitar.  Otherwise how did he get such a long sustain? I don't believe one can sustain any note for such a long time with usual stompbox or amp.
Too old to rock'n'roll, too young to die

RedHouse

Well that may be but on the Live at Montreux 1990 DVD he's using the Les Paul and a Soldano amp on SGTB for the sustain, pure tube tone baby!. Yeah one can see him using a footswitch but it's generally accepted that he's using the Soldano's channel switching footswitch. Note his tone cleans up perfectly when he rolls off the volume ctrl.

He doesn't use the Peter Green Lester on SGTB (Live at Montreux 1990 DVD) he used the PG lester in song before it (You don't love me) you can tell the PG lester because it has the pickup covers on, and the neck pickup is reversed in it's mounting ring so the screw poles are away from the neck. The lester one he uses on SGTB is indeed an old '59 or '60 but it has uncovered double-black pickups and a much les faded 'burst. The Peter Green lester's burst has faded to nearly an "un-burst" as it's called in the book "Beauty Of The Burst".

d95err

It appears that Mr Moore uses a fairly wide variety of guitars, amps and stompboxes. Perhaps the tone is actually in his fingers...  :D

JHS

I've read five interviews with Mr. Moore and five different versions how to generate this sound and every version was not correct.
Conclusion: aks the service-tech, the producer or read some recording magazines.

Answer: '62 or '64 Bluesbreaker w old EVM 12L speakers and LP on neck PU and some boost (Ts-10 or something like that).

90% of this sound come from the EVM 12L cutting everything above 5 kHz.

You want to copy this tone?
No problem. Use a LP with PAF-type neck PU, any distorting tubeamp, maybe some booster, a 2 12" EVM 12L open back box and a good limiter and you are there. A Boogie Mk1/2 w EVM 12L will do it, a RD50 w 12L will do it too.

You want endless sustain and punchy sound?
Crank the amp and play really loud in front of it (1 - 2m max). I tell you, even the weakest Strat will sustain forever.
Dont forget some ear protection!!!

You want this sound at bedroom level?
Play "stil got the blues" from the CD and listen to it.

JHS






aron

QuoteYou want this sound at bedroom level?
Play "stil got the blues" from the CD and listen to it.
;D

hehehehehehe

Ge_Whiz

Quote from: tiges_ tendres
dod death metal pedal!?

Didn't think I'd see that in his setup!
/quote]

Well, that's interesting. Walter Trout plays blues through his Mesa Boogie IV set to the 'Death Metal' preset, apparently.