Did anyone figure out what where those bulky switches that Pete Cornish uses?

[vanessa]

Did anyone figure out what where those bulky switches that Pete Cornish uses?

http://www.petecornish.co.uk/wood15.html

[Mark Hammer]

I'm in no position whatsoever to confirm any of this, but from underneath, the switches all appear the same, regardless of the button top.  For the pricetag of this thing, it wouldn't surprise me if bigger "targets" were simply machined and affixed over top of the existing button tops.  Wouldn't be terribly difficult to do for any of us to do, really.  Just buy yourself a bar of the appropriate aluminum, cut off a slug of appropriate depth, and drill yourself a perfectly centred hole of the right dimensions.  Epoxy, when done, making absolutely sure you will never need to remove it ever again!

[vanessa]

Oh yes I've read he does machine the stomp tops, but look at the underneath. These are really big DPDT switches (black). The switches themselfs look to be an 1"L x 2"W x 1"H. What the???

[The Tone God]

Considering the construction of the rest of the board I would say that the "doughnuts" are actually wood that have been cut and routed on the edges.

For DIYers you could buy some large knobs and drill out the hole for a switch and still use the set screw. Or the button cap could just be a peice of dowel that has been cut, drilled for the button on one end, and glued on. Simple enough.

Andrew

[Mark Hammer]

Many of the old stompswitches I have recovered from "vintage" pedals are that big.  Perhaps he has a stash of them.  Alternatively, they may well be widely available (Alco?) but often eschewed by pedal builders because of the excessive depth.  Keep in mind that pedals of the 60's and 70's tended to have much bigger chassis than nowadays.  Indeed, part of the charm of the 1590B-sized MXR pedals when they came out was that they were so much more compact than a lot of what was out there at the time.

[BDuguay]

I recently worked on an old Jen Variospectra from the 60's and it had ginormous switches like the ones Vans is reffering to. The difference is these ones had plastic pushbuttons.
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[cd]

Since 2000 or so, they're vanilla Carling DPDTs, made in Mexico.  Not the X-wing style, but the rectangular ones used in wahs.  I forget the model #.

In case any n00bs are reading, by "vanilla" I mean ordinary, not white

[Mark Hammer]

Not really called for.

Let's move on.

[zachary vex]

those are Eaton/Cutler-Hammer switches.   i used them for years until the delivery became extremely unreliable, right after that large hurricane on the East coast.

[cd]

FYI the switch Cornish is using these days is the Carling 316PP.  Small Bear has them in stock:

http://www.smallbearelec.com/Detail.bok?no=80

Don't know if he does any extra reliability testing on them or not, since they're notoriously flaky these days.

[The Tone God]

FYI the switch Cornish is using these days is the Carling 316PP.

I don't know about "these days" but in those pictures those are not 316s. The 316s have a smaller body and the bottom corners are more rounded. If they are Carlings they might be 170s or 172s. They maybe older NKKs as well but I would have to agree with Mr. Vex that they are Eaton/Cutler-Hammer switches.

Andrew

[cd]

FYI the switch Cornish is using these days is the Carling 316PP.

I don't know about "these days" but in those pictures those are not 316s. The 316s have a smaller body and the bottom corners are more rounded. If they are Carlings they might be 170s or 172s. They maybe older NKKs as well but I would have to agree with Mr. Vex that they are Eaton/Cutler-Hammer switches.

Andrew

They're 316PPs.  Exactly why I used "these days" and "2000" in my original post.  I've opened up a few Cornish standalone pedals, all of them had 316PPs in them.  They may not be ECH switches, but take it for what you will that PC uses the Carlings today.

[The Tone God]

They're 316PPs.  Exactly why I used "these days" and "2000" in my original post.  I've opened up a few Cornish standalone pedals, all of them had 316PPs in them.  They may not be ECH switches, but take it for what you will that PC uses the Carlings today.

Cool. Good to know and keep things clear. I was just chipping in to help the OP identify the switches in the picture. Maybe Cornish uses 316s in production stuff but uses the ECH or has a stash of them for special projects.

Just a thought.

Andrew

[mudmen]

I've opened up a few Cornish standalone pedals...

Tell us more !!

[hippo]

i Think it is a Miyama DS 008. i've one in my hands in this moment but I don't know how to post the image

[puretube]

DS008 (huge .pdf!)

[zachary vex]

there's no question about what it is... it's an Eaton switch.  if anyone wants the part number, i can look it up.  i have a pile of them on hand from my old production.

[The Tone God]

i Think it is a Miyama DS 008. i've one in my hands in this moment but I don't know how to post the image

If you take a closer look the pins on the Miyama to the pins on the picture they are orientated wrong. The pins are of uniform size and undersized. The outer pins aren't stagared like in the picture and they don't have the extra flange around the center pin. The bodies of Miyama are also staggard from the top not smooth like the picture.

Beside those Miyamas are borderline unusable for stomp switches. I don't think Cornish would ever use such switches.

They look like Eaton/CH to me.

Andrew

[vanessa]

there's no question about what it is... it's an Eaton switch.  if anyone wants the part number, i can look it up.  i have a pile of them on hand from my old production.

Zach-

What's the part number on those? I checked their website and there is nothing on there that looks like that.

Thank you!

Van

[zachary vex]

i vaguely remember something like 3914k32.  the first two digits are probably wrong.