1.02meg from 1/2v = 1/4 in Dist +'s

Started by petemoore, June 09, 2006, 03:53:27 PM

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petemoore

  Just looking at my V divider of 2 x 47k strung across -/+.
  My measurement from ground to divider junction indicates 4.42v from Gnd. the, battery measures 8.94v.
  Connecting a 1m resistor to that brings it to about 1/4 supply voltage, or 2.02v.
  This Is a new board I built yesterday, and have been debugging ever since I shelved the Dist+ with the LM386 Vdivider.
  The 'LM386 supplied' Dist+ also has 2.02v shown on opamp pin 3.
  I bought some more lm741's. the readings from one opamp to the next vary only slightly.
  I added a 470k to the 1meg, in paralled this brings the voltage up to 3.3v, still not optimally biased.
  I don't believe it but expect you to, I'm only showing the exact experiment repeated, repeated earlier experiments with many DIST+'s and the "LM386 Supplied" one that decided to exhibit the odd behavior.
  I posted earlier the voltages, they are all quite nice enough for govt. work, ~1/2v are at the opamps _input and output, Gnd. is 0v at pin4, pin7 is V+
1
2  2.02v
3  4.24v
4   0v
5
6  4.36v
7  8.94.
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  Everything is connected correcly except my spelling on correctly,  :icon_redface: two builds in a row prove this wrong.
  Why do 1megs directly from, and only from 1/2v  convert to  1/4v ?
Convention creates following, following creates convention.

R.G.

It's likely that your measurement meter is loading down the voltage through the 1K.

It is common for this to be a problem.
R.G.

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petemoore

#2
  I'm not sure I understand, the DIST+ has no 1k.
  This would be the first for not being able to use voltage measurements of OA pins to debug, also the circuit isn't functioning.
Convention creates following, following creates convention.

R.G.

Sorry - I meant the 1M bias resistor.
R.G.

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petemoore

  This is strange sound to me, I remember being able to bias [IIRC] Dist+'s and read the voltages on the pins.
  And it seems this pin is where the signal isn't 'going in', as there is no 'click' on pin 3, pin 2 has an 'amplified a little' click, and the output has a click similar to farther toward output of the circuit/the amps plug tip.
  So although I can understand how a 1meg could 'screw' with the meter, [not how that would] and show a false reading, I'll go mess with it again and make sure if it's not working.
Convention creates following, following creates convention.

petemoore

#5
  It is working just fine.
  I messed about for times, then tried the Ohter new Opamp, good thing I bought two, fired right up. Wierd as anything. I guess my little DMM doesn't like reading voltages through big resistors, otherwise the opamp sounds biased, I guess you Cant always trust the DMM.
  A slight increase to .022uf input cap, also 1uf [instead of 10] output, seemed bassy enough, .1uf though 'starved' it a bit.
 
Convention creates following, following creates convention.