what is the teflon recommended wire for wiring pedals

[fusionid]

Im sure this question is asked many times, so i apolozied. Tried doing a seach but what came up was no good. I am placing an order from mouser for a rot swicth I need so I can order it from them. What wire type is the balls? I like the stuff that doesnt melt when you sorlder it.

thanks again guys

[dr]

....20-22 gauge works best for me-theres a guy on Ebay named John (John's Teflon Wire Shop I seem to remember..) he sells it in rolls all colors; it is military silver stranded and solders nicely.....I bought a lot which was a bunch of six foot lengths for a very reasonable price!...hes excellent people to deal with!....

[Peter Snowberg]

http://www.mouser.com/catalog/627/831.pdf

Mouser only sells it by the spool so the cost is quite high, but it sure is nice wire. 

[JHS]

Teflon wire is good in a tube amp but in a stomp box every wire with 0,7-1mm² or more is good enough.
I prefer 1mm² solid core wire (20m colored twin coil for about 2$ in the radio shack) and never had problems with the isolation material, no matter what type it was.

JHS

[fusionid]

....20-22 gauge works best for me-theres a guy on Ebay named John (John's Teflon Wire Shop I seem to remember..) he sells it in rolls all colors; it is military silver stranded and solders nicely.....I bought a lot which was a bunch of six foot lengths for a very reasonable price!...hes excellent people to deal with!....

right on great tip man. I just found him on ebay. good prices.

[Cliff Schecht]

My dad worked for some company in the aerospace industry and managed to get dozens of spools of 22 gauge white and orange teflon wire (silver stranded military grade; the good stuff) and I use it for everything. If the ends aren't marred up from striping, this wire never seems to break.

[markm]

I use this;

http://www.smallbearelec.com/Detail.bok?no=85

Works well for me!

[Pushtone]

The champaign of wire, definitely overkill for stompboxes. But if you can afford Crystal...(hip hop joke)

I agree with JHS,
Teflon jacketed wire is good in tube amps where there are vibrations
and rubbing wires could wear through the insulation.

Like some others here, I get all my wire from old computers and computer power supplies.
I have the IT guys at work trained to bring me dead computers.
They call it "bring out your dead".
Cost: FREE

And my OB wire never break anymore now that I have taken
forumite advice and loop the wire through a hole in the board before inserting it into a pad.

[fusionid]

The champaign of wire, definitely overkill for stompboxes. But if you can afford Crystal...(hip hop joke)

I agree with JHS,
Teflon jacketed wire is good in tube amps where there are vibrations
and rubbing wires could wear through the insulation.

Like some others here, I get all my wire from old computers and computer power supplies.
I have the IT guys at work trained to bring me dead computers.
They call it "bring out your dead".
Cost: FREE

And my OB wire never break anymore now that I have taken
forumite advice and loop the wire through a hole in the board before inserting it into a pad.

No access to free stuff here.
your advice of looping the wire is great, will do from now on.

[Gus]

IMO none

Do a test solder up some wires to a PCB pad, some teflon and some PVC stranded and solid in what you can find and bend them till they break.

Stranded teflon seems to break as easy as solid core PVC at the solder connections.

Now if you are going to build effects and have them go on the road you will learn all kind of fun things.

You think a lockwasher is good enought? sometimes not, sometimes you need stuff like locktight as well.

I find teflon wire seems to break at the solder joints faster than stranded PVC.

I am not sure of what is happening.  Two things I have thought about, One the teflon is silver plated and maybe there is something going on with the solder.  Two the teflon coating seems to be  stiffer than PVC causing the bending point to be smaller (the PVC seems to act a little like a strain relief letting the wire have a bigger bending radius)

[Dai H.]

IMO none

Do a test solder up some wires to a PCB pad, some teflon and some PVC stranded and solid in what you can find and bend them till they break.

Stranded teflon seems to break as easy as solid core PVC at the solder connections.

Now if you are going to build effects and have them go on the road you will learn all kind of fun things.

You think a lockwasher is good enought? sometimes not, sometimes you need stuff like locktight as well.

I find teflon wire seems to break at the solder joints faster than stranded PVC.

I am not sure of what is happening.  Two things I have thought about, One the teflon is silver plated and maybe there is something going on with the solder.  Two the teflon coating seems to be  stiffer than PVC causing the bending point to be smaller (the PVC seems to act a little like a strain relief letting the wire have a bigger bending radius)

I've noticed this and it seems to be a potential prob. say if you have a PCB which needs to be taken out to be accessed, and the wires get flexed. PVC is better because it's more flexible (absorbs the bend as opposed to sort of reflecting it towards the ends). Using a smaller gauge Teflon wire seems to help (more flexible). Another thing (which I also see on amp DIY sites) is, that if someone actually *needs* Teflon wire to solder wires, then I would think that their solder skills are lacking (i.e. you are taking too long to make the joint), the Teflon could be masking this. IMO, it'd be smarter to develop good soldering skills since taking longer than you should to make a joint is not a good habit (potential parts damage), and also what will you do when you have to work on a gtr., effect, amp, etc. that is already wired with PVC?

[fusionid]

you guys' responses are right on. This is very true. However, the reason I want teflon is not just because the otherone melts. Here is a thought. I just finished a Meatball lovetone clone. By the end there were tons of cables coming off the board (the 4 rot switches and the 6 knobs, the 2 exp pedals and the loop). I started with teflon but by the end I ran out of it. I grabbed the regular stuff and I was working on a conection when I flipped the soldering pen and burned 3 cables. I barely touched them. I had to replace them. I dont want to happen again.

[fusionid]

here is another thought. When making a jump in a perf board from the back. You can only do this with teflon 

[Pushtone]

What about teflon coated frying pans...

If nothing can stick to teflon, then how do they get it to stick to the pan?

[Dai H.]

I barely touched them.

that's a bit like saying "I barely dropped some vacuum tubes". It's the nature of the material so it requires more care, just like you probably do when dealing with boiling water to make coffee or using a sharp knife to cook, etc. Having said that, it can help to temporarily tie wires out of the way with twist ties or put some alu foil over them (again, temporarily) if space is really tight.

[MR COFFEE]

Teflon wire is great in some ways and not so great in others.

When I worked in a mil-spec factory as a wirer-assembler, we did teflon wire a lot. But we always used a special heat sink gizmo that prevented the solder from wicking up under the insulation.

Without doing that, teflon insulated stranded wire is subject to "embrittlement".

Read Bob Pease on it in his book.

I use teflon, but I am VERY careful about HOW I use it.

Used correctly, it's great stuff.

FWIW

Mr Coffee

[fusionid]

what?
Im comfused

[Dai H.]

Teflon wire is great in some ways and not so great in others.

When I worked in a mil-spec factory as a wirer-assembler, we did teflon wire a lot. But we always used a special heat sink gizmo that prevented the solder from wicking up under the insulation.

Without doing that, teflon insulated stranded wire is subject to "embrittlement".

Read Bob Pease on it in his book.

I use teflon, but I am VERY careful about HOW I use it.

Used correctly, it's great stuff.

FWIW

Mr Coffee

interesting. So that would be to make sure the insulation to joint portion could flex a bit? And would that have been a really thin heatsink, or would I be guessing incorrectly?