Holy crap! Will e-bay ever be the same again?

[christobean]

(I have a four level mark system: 1. home; 2. gig; 3. tour; 4 record- to what would I use it for?)

thats a really good idea, there is Definitely different neccesities for pedals in each of those situations.

[christobean]

I have heard from numerous sources their stuff tends to be a bit noisy

yea ive had the same problem.  i got a cheap behringer mixer to try to record to my computer.  i ended up getting more hiss and static than guitar signal in the end.  however, it works fine for running a few crappy microphones into a guitar practice amp, just for jam sessions.

[StephenGiles]

Everyone should relax and Lets all talk good about these pedals for a couple months.  LEt everyone think they blow away our vintage and even (dare I say) the pedals we have cloned ourselves of the originals.  Then when everyone leaves the vintage market, we all hop on the bay and in one week take all the vintage goods for ourselves!



In all seriousness, I'd have to try these guys out for myself.  Behringer products arent the most structurally sound IME, and I have heard from numerous sources their stuff tends to be a bit noisy.  We'll all just have to wait and see.  I know I wouldnt object to buying one of these if they sound good and are close to the originals, especially if the prices are low!

I have a Behringer 1002 mixer and it it brilliant.

[oldrocker]

I use the Eurodesk SL2442 FX mixer to record and live sound for my brothers band and it's outstanding.  Especially for the price this thing rocks.  It belongs to them but if I had the money I'd buy one for myself.   I guess it depends on which mixer you buy from them but all companies have their different quality products.  But we're talking about pedals clones so this subject is a mute point actually.

[MikeH]

Everyone should relax and Lets all talk good about these pedals for a couple months.  LEt everyone think they blow away our vintage and even (dare I say) the pedals we have cloned ourselves of the originals.  Then when everyone leaves the vintage market, we all hop on the bay and in one week take all the vintage goods for ourselves!

Ha ha!  Not a bad plan!  I'm with you.

[jonathan perez]

i cant wait to buy myself some good $400 pedals for $50.

[darron]

$50? you'd are getting ripped off. they are $20 wholesale in australia, and retail for $30, so in the USA it should be even cheaper than that.

[jonathan perez]

noooooooo, i meant the super mojo pedals 

[darron]

noooooooo, i meant the super mojo pedals 

oooo. gotcha! mmm... i could make some investments  (:

[joelap]

i cant wait to buy myself some good $400 pedals for $50.

$50? you'd are getting ripped off. they are $20 wholesale in australia, and retail for $30, so in the USA it should be even cheaper than that.

30$?  No freaking way?!  Even 50$ I'd consider them a huge bargain.  but man if they are cheaper than 50... then holy crap!

I wonder if any of these will be mod candidates, or if the parts will be SEM.  Theres a mod in indyguitarist for the CE-3 that removes some hiss and noise by changing some electrolytic caps to film caps... maybe the same would apply here if these pedals are noisy?

And as for behringer mixers, my band has a mixer we use with no problems also.  But I have heard many experiences of noisy stuff from them.  I'm hedging my bets on the fact that behringer's target audience is people like us for this latest line of pedals, so I'd be willing to bet they factored a reasonable amount of noise reduction into their pedals.  And also, 400$ for pedal A, or 50$ for a slightly more noisy clone of pedal A.... HMMMMM..... 

Whats the release date on these bad boys anyways?

[Rafa]

$50? you'd are getting ripped off. they are $20 wholesale in australia, and retail for $30, so in the USA it should be even cheaper than that.

Dammit here a boss (like mt-2 or od-3)costs more less $170 
I should travel to australia more often

[Torchy]

The people that currently pay $400 for a vintage pedal will STILL pay $400 no matter how many peices of shit Behringer release. You simply cannot manufacture kudos. How many times have we heard "oh, its just another TS clone" ? How many times have we heard "oh, its just another original 808 in the original box in mint condition" ?

Part of the investment in a vintage pedal is an indefinable sense of owning history that you cant manufacture. These pedals are aimed at the lowest end of the market, whether thats the "I want it NOW" generation, or the dabbler. The vintage market is something else altogether, and I'll wager that Behringer will not impact it one bit.

Even if that one bit is oversampled

[jonathan perez]

yeah, but a tube screamer is a tube screamer...

these are EVERY other pedal...FINALLY...

[joelap]

yeah, but a tube screamer is a tube screamer...

these are EVERY other pedal...FINALLY...

Totally agreed!  These are the pedals we could only dream about buying and not wasting a week or two's paycheck (in my case) on one pedal.  There has never been a VB-2, Dimension, or Slow Gear clone made by a large manufacturer at cheaper prices before!

[George Giblet]

> I must say I'm somewhat tempted...but somehow I couldn't morally do it.

I'm not too worried about them copying the insides because effects people/companies have been doing that for years.  It's the higher level issues that are more the problem like copying the look of products and replicating a product line.

I refused to buy any of the Boss clones until the Roland/Behringer court case was settled, and now have a number of clones.   I probably won't buy anything from the other clones though.

As someone mentioned Behringer do develop their own products - I'm sure there engineering is as a good as any other company.  They developed products for years before any of the low cost Chinese clones raised their heads.

[tiges_ tendres]

I dont know what the fuss is all about wth the case of the Slow Gear.

Guyatone has been making a Slow gear clone for years.

[Meanderthal]

 Beware of those pedals, if they're clones they're bad ones. I thought the bass limiter was a clone of the boss... well I bought one($20.00, I'm a sucker for cheap pedals) and it's just too damn hissy to use. Not so with the boss version. Everything works fine, but it's useless. It also looks and 'feels' really cheap and fragile, IF I could use it I can't imagine how it could hold up to... being used. Lightweight poorly molded plastic. Even the hinge pins. Plastic hinge pins. Might as well stomp on a ping pong ball.

That being said, I have lots of Behhinger's non-pedal stuff, and I'm fairly happy with everything else. That's partly why the pedal was such a dissapointment.

[brad]

Real tube overdrive for $90?  Hell yeah! 

I think they're great for just playing around with in the bedroom.

[Rodgre]

Take this for what it's worth, no pun intended: When I was a kid, Electro Harmonix pedals were usually around $40 brand new. My second pedal ever was a used SCRIPT logo MXR Phase 90 that cost $40. I also remember how Arion pedals were a dime a dozen and not as cool as MXR.

Granted that was more money in the early 80's than it is today, but remembering how shoddy and noisy Electro Harmonix pedals of that era were (say, compared to Mu-Tron) and how revered they are now. The Blue/Red graphics Electric Mistress I paid $45 would probably sell for $200 now, and it's still noisy and needs to have solder joints reheated on a regular basis.

I'm not comparing Behringer to these pedals, but I'm just thinking out loud that if I were a kid looking to get into pedals, it's pretty cool that someone is making cheap stuff that I can amass a collection of.

I know that the internet is a fun place to be a critic, but I can't really complain about the fact that ANYONE is offering a remake of the old Boss VB-2 and PN-2. We all know that Boss isn't going to do it, and those were awesome pedals.

Roger

[disto]

im sure i saw almost the same post a while ago, talking about the legality of what behringer was doing. has anything happened about these clones (whoops i mean behringer originals)? i have never owned any behringer products but ive used some behringer bass amp, multi effects and the DI, and i wasnt unimpressed, they didnt seem bad budget equipment. would be best to try before you buy though.
however yes they are blatant clones, if i was someone from boss, a designer/inventor of the originals i would be very angry.

my favorite past time is snooping in the local second hand shop for old pedals, theres something about them.