What effect can I build with the components I have?

Started by Opencan, February 14, 2007, 05:39:54 PM

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Opencan

I've got some components left from some projects (and I'll get a few more when I'll chop down a 19" ctr screen that i found  :icon_twisted:) and I want to build something with it.
My priority is; 1. Compressor. (something like the orange squeezer and less like the Ross) 2. Fuzz, 3. Bass Booster.

Buying components is not a possibility for now, because the closest shop is 350 miles away and doesn't have an option for delivery.
(though I'll go there anyway in April, there's an Incubus show, and will buy a bulk of components for a bunch of projects :))

As for my level, I've done 2 effects on breadboard (dist+ and microamp) and my soldering level is pretty low. But I will put my mind into it if there's something a bit beyond my level.

One effect I found that I can barely build is the Fuzz Face (which I wanted to build anyway), but he has a 22uF electrolite cap which I do not have. If I'll replace it with a 10uF what will be the effect? (worked by this graphical layout http://smallbox.zeonhost.com/projects/fface/)

Here's what I have:

Resistors:
4X2.2M
7X1M
4X100K
3X47K
2X20K
6X10K
1X4.7K
1X2.7K
2X2.2K
2X1.5K
1X470

Capacitors (non polarized)

1XnF
1X10pF
2X47nF
1X0.047uF
1X33pF
2X1uF
2X22nF
1X47pF
1X100pF
2X100nF
2X10nF

Electrolite Capasitors:
2X2.2uF
4X1uF
1X10uF
1X100uF
3X4.7uF

ICs:
3X741
1X4548
2X386

Transistors:
2X5458

Got some diodes (about 10 that I don't know their name)

Pot.:
1X500K audio
1X1K linear
2X100K linear
1X470K linear
1X1M linear
1X500K linear


Sorry about the weird question... I just didn't found anything in my resources, but I'll keep looking meanwhile.

KerryF

You can build a lot of things...  Ummm... Search.

Opencan

I can't find anything that matched my current list of components.
And I don't really know what components need to be exact and what can be changed.

Papa_lazerous

Go out buy a breadboard some wire a battery a battery clip some 1/4" sockets for your guitar lead to plug into and experiment possibly by looking at basic projects.  I am sure you could build a treble booster with all that a buffer or maybe a distortion too.  I think the limit is your imagination.

Meanderthal

 Distortion+, Ruby, TS, Rat, blue clipper, just get a few resistors and caps. You'll be needing jacks, battery clips, enclosures anyway.
I am not responsible for your imagination.

Chris Brown

#5
search the forums for 741, 4548, 386 and 5458... find projects that use your specific transistor or opamp (or projects that can use one of them as a sub)... the caps and resistors are housekeeping for most circuits so figure out what you want to build that can utilize your tranny/opamps and then worry about what subs can be made for the other parts. the 741 can sub for a 072 071 in some cases... this could open up more options.

That's what I would do... let's see what the experts think.

Warm regards,
Chris Brown

Dragonfly

Quote from: Opencan on February 14, 2007, 05:39:54 PM


One effect I found that I can barely build is the Fuzz Face (which I wanted to build anyway), but he has a 22uF electrolite cap which I do not have. If I'll replace it with a 10uF what will be the effect?


Slightly less bass, but it will still sound good. The Colorsound One Knob Fuzz used a 10uF, IIRC.

AC

Dragonfly

Quote from: Opencan on February 14, 2007, 05:39:54 PM



The 2N5458 is a fet. you could build a modified Fat Boost. Have to mess around with some values, but you could definitely do it.

AC

Chris Brown


Opencan

Papa_lazeous, I have a battery, sockets, enclosure and switches.
I don't want to build any treble booster, I hate them. I can doodle up some very basic booster and build it, but I'm looking for something a bit more interesting.
And by the way, what does a buffer do?   :-X

Meanderthal, I hate the distortion+, build it, it works, yet i've chopped it back to components. the Ruby require a bunch of components I don't have (MPF102, 10K pot, 220uF cap), miss most of the TS components, miss a lot of caps and the amps for the Rat, don't have 90% of the componnents for the blue clipper... I've gone through a bunch of schematics, yet barely none actually fitted.
I just don't know what I can use instead because I don't really dig how it actually work. (yet)

Chris Brown, Thanks for your support :D
How can I know what may be a subtitue to what? How can I know what need to be adjusted to cover for the change of a component? Thats why I've been asking for help in here, because I really don't know what is changable.

Found something that barely matched my parts (accept the fuzz face mentioned), the Ross Distortion (http://aronnelson.com/gallery/album77/Ross_Distortion_LAYOUT_perf), but it uses a different IC, can any of my ICs act as a subtitue?

Dragonfly, first of all, I love your gallery :D
and in your schematic it didn't  :-X
can I add something to the fuzzface while using a 10uF cap to regain more bass? maybe using a resistor with it somehow?
and about messing around to make it work, I just don't know how to mess around yet :X

Chris Brown I don't have the 220uF cap and I don't know what do use instead. Plus, it isn't really usefull and I'd rather build something I would use.

Dragonfly

Quote from: Opencan on February 14, 2007, 06:38:34 PM

Dragonfly, first of all, I love your gallery :D
and in your schematic it didn't  :-X
can I add something to the fuzzface while using a 10uF cap to regain more bass? maybe using a resistor with it somehow?
and about messing around to make it work, I just don't know how to mess around yet :X




Thanks ! :)

First...TRY the 10uF cap there and see if you like it.  If you want to change the sound from that point, and need more bass, raise the value of the output cap. (maybe that .047uF)

AC

Dragonfly

BTW...you could build a nice little opamp booster using a 741 and a few other parts. Erik Hansen, IIRC, in his gallery has one called the OA Boost. I havent looked at it for a while, but i seem to remember it being a "low parts count", simple booster.

AC

Meanderthal

 Is that a 4558 ya got or a 4548? If you have a 4558 and that's a typo, you can build the Ross.

I think you'll hate it. You already built one... basically.

It sounds like you need to decide what ya want to build, then just get the parts you need. In the meantime, do a search for "the technology of" and you'll find some very informative articles that will walk you through circuits so you understand what's going on. You'll be in a better position to make informed decisions about parts substitutions.

I wouldn't suggest painting yourself into a corner by limiting yourself to only parts at hand. That's throwing a big obstacle in your own path. If you're broke, you can always salvage from old stereos and tvs and such.

An fet FF? Interesting.
I am not responsible for your imagination.

Opencan

Dragonfly, thanks, I will try it out :D

Meanderthal, my wrong, its KIA 4558P 043
And thanks for the info :)

Dragonfly

Quote from: Meanderthal on February 14, 2007, 07:03:52 PM
Is that a 4558 ya got or a 4548? If you have a 4558 and that's a typo, you can build the Ross.



Actually, If its a 4558, he's close to an Orange Squeezer too.That would be the OA, and he should be able to use the 2N5458's as the fets...

AC

Chris Brown

Quote from: Opencan on February 14, 2007, 06:38:34 PM
the Ross Distortion (http://aronnelson.com/gallery/album77/Ross_Distortion_LAYOUT_perf), but it uses a different IC, can any of my ICs act as a subtitue?

You could make a layout and use 2 of your 741s. kind of a strange but I'm sure you could get it to work. if thats a 4558 then it could work...

you could also google the cook your own distortion article... very fun and I found it to be great learning material when I was starting to get into the diy thing.

Quote from: Papa_lazerous on February 14, 2007, 06:03:06 PM
Go out buy a breadboard some wire a battery a battery clip some 1/4" sockets for your guitar lead to plug into and experiment possibly by looking at basic projects.  I am sure you could build a treble booster with all that a buffer or maybe a distortion too.  I think the limit is your imagination.

IMHO this would be the best thing to do.... you'll learn endlessly if you always have something going on the breadboard... I've been lurking these forums since October and breadboarding everything in sight... I highly recommend it.

Meanderthal

I am not responsible for your imagination.

Meanderthal

 You have everything you need to build the Evil Hate...
I am not responsible for your imagination.

Opencan

I've somehow done the Fuzz Face, got it pretty small and nice, everything soldered tight in place.
I need to drill the holes in the enclosure (its something like a car-candies aluminium cases but a bit taller that came with a six pack of beer. I just had to make it a fuzz face because its round  :icon_redface:)

Anyhow, I got a very very beginner question. I've soldered sockets and not directly the transistors, but I don't know in which direction I should put them in. My schematic shows me C, B and E terminals, but where are they?

Meanderthal

 I hate to tell you this... don't kill the messenger.

It's a good thing you installed sockets, because you will be needing BJT transistors, preferably Germanium. You have fets. Tim Escobedo discusses using fets in a FF in this, but I doubt they will work in a stock FF circuit-

Quotehttp://www.geocities.com/tpe123/folkurban/fuzz/fuzzyfaces.html

I never heard of an fet FF, hence my "interesting" comment. I thought maybe someone came up with one? You never know...
I am not responsible for your imagination.