2n3565 VS 2n5089 ?????

[bumblebee]

I plan on changing transistors in my Russian muff,i have 2n5089's which i know are fine and I'll probably use, but how do  2n3565's compare to these?

what I'm asking is are the 5089's much higher gain than 3565's or what?
I just don't want to bother wasting time if they aren't even as high gain as 2n5088!
Yeah,i don't have a multi meter,never needed one.......until now that is.

BTW,the search turned up nothing on this,which is odd for me because i always get everything i need from the search,hence such a low post count!

TNX

[jonathan perez]

google?

[bumblebee]

Al i found on google was that the 2n3565 is highgain,but no comparison to a 2n5088/9.
And how to make a lie detector!

Edit: I googled once again out of frustration,its always the same.5088-max hfe 900/5089 max hfe-1200/3565 max hfe 600.this doesnt tell me everything i want to know as i'm still a bit of a noob with technical details of parts i use.

[mattpocket]

Search google for:

A. 2n3565 Datasheet
B. 2n5089 Datasheet

Compare the hfe columns from each datasheet

And, surely, everyone needs a mulitmeter!?

Matt

[bumblebee]

Yea,a multi meter is on my list this week!
The reason I'm a little uncertain about these 2 types is a foxx tone machine isn't exactly a subtle fuzz and it uses 2n3565.
So since the 2n5089s are higher gain than 3565's  but the foxx still has a real thick fuzzy sound would i be right to assume that alot of the tone machines thick sound comes from else where on the circuit?

[mattpocket]

Surely if you are building this to original specs, and you can get hold of the 3565's (smallbear have them) then you want to use those right?

Matt

[bumblebee]

Yea i built the foxx to orig specs with NOS 2n3565 from steve.

I'm just wanting to thicken up and sustain my RU muff and was thinking maybe the 2n3565's would be a start because of how well they work in a foxx.

But...after looking over the schem of the foxx and RU muff a little more today it seems i should be using 2n5089's in the muff and changing the input/output caps as 2n3565's alone aren't gonna give me what i want in the BMP circuit! They work well in the foxx tho.

So i spose i found my answer!

Another wasted thread.

[mattpocket]

Certainly wasnt wasted... and it helped you to make your own mind up!

I was just about to say you need to look at any input/output caps and tone controls too...

Take a look at the modding section of the FAQ, theres loads of info to increase bass response in there!

[Meanderthal]

I'm just wanting to thicken up and sustain my RU muff

Look into Yun's supermuff mods- a boost in front and a midrange control(a little more too I think). That'll thicken things up...

[bumblebee]

Thanks peoples!

Yea,i got hold of Yun and he gave me a few ideas and tips,gonna try his tonestack, diode clipping mod and change the input caps.