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Started by enigmur, May 03, 2007, 06:52:51 PM

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enigmur

I was thinking I'd build the Rangemaster from Dragonfly's vero when I get home today

Just a quick question - approx what Hfe should I look for in a Ge Trannie?

For people who have built this, what do you all think? Could I easily add a tone control and use it as a drive aswell as a boost?
Quote from: jlullo on May 02, 2007, 12:37:12 AM
i have to get my hands on some of your germs.  very soon.
Anywhere but here, that would seem odd...

enigmur

I built this circuit last night - http://aronnelson.com/gallery/album143/DALLAS_RANGEMASTER_001

If I swap the 68K Resistor in front of the Base of the transistor going to ground for a 100K Trim, will this let me dial in the voltage for the transistor Bias? Would I just use 2 legs of the trimmer?

I only have a 100k pot, can I just run a 90k resistor from lug 1-3, and it will leave me with a 10k??

Cheers!

Quote from: jlullo on May 02, 2007, 12:37:12 AM
i have to get my hands on some of your germs.  very soon.
Anywhere but here, that would seem odd...

Krinor

Hi,

I actually built this exact same circuit last night too!  :icon_cool:
It works wonderfully just the way it is. I didn't bother to bias. I used the suggested components.
I tried different germanium transistors. First an AC126 which I found to be way over the top when it comes to gain. It sounded really dirty. The one I eventually left in there was an OC75 which sounds a bit mellow and very, very vintage.  :icon_wink: It's got just the right blend of warm boost and a little bit of grit at the end. I tried OC45's too, but they seem to be extremely low gain (?)
I have built an LPB1 replica and another LPB1 which I have modified to become a treble booster (with 0.01uF caps.) The last sounds great when put in chain with the Rangemaster at the end. I also tried to chain all three boosters and this provided an extremely distorted signal.




Krinor

Oh and for biasing the Rangemaster don't miss the article at Geofex:

http://www.geofex.com/Article_Folders/Rangemaster/atboost.pdf

(I hope it's okay to put links in here ?)

ambulancevoice

Quote from: Krinor on May 14, 2007, 05:30:58 PM
I tried OC45's too, but they seem to be extremely low gain (?)

Open Your Mouth, Heres Your Money

enigmur

I finished and housed this last night.

It was a bit bright on the clean channel so I upped the input cap to .01uf and it sounds a bit better.

Im using a ge transistor at around 80hfe, it does crunch nicely!.

One question - I am using a 100kB pot, i figured putting a resistor across the outer tabs would work as stated in a thread I read yesterday. For some reason, when I put a 91K resistor across the tabs, at full turn, I only get 47K resistance  -each way...
So the knob is only in function for about 30%... Any idea why the readings I got were weird? I thought that should turn the pot into 9K?

The pedal is quite noisey, it adds quite a lot of hum, especially if used on a dirty channel, but I read that is quite normal, and I can cope with it.

I'll see how it performs at band practise tonight, I may just house my NPN boost in that enclosure and leave the Rangemaster in the finished circuits pile if it isnt what I'm after - I'll build an OD.
Quote from: jlullo on May 02, 2007, 12:37:12 AM
i have to get my hands on some of your germs.  very soon.
Anywhere but here, that would seem odd...

Hanglow

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Quote from: enigmur on May 15, 2007, 04:52:10 PM


One question - I am using a 100kB pot, i figured putting a resistor across the outer tabs would work as stated in a thread I read yesterday. For some reason, when I put a 91K resistor across the tabs, at full turn, I only get 47K resistance  -each way...
So the knob is only in function for about 30%... Any idea why the readings I got were weird? I thought that should turn the pot into 9K?


Does this not mean that it is a 100k and a 91k in parallel? Which would give you the 47k....if you put a 10k across the tabs you will get a 9k (I think)

I built a keeley Java Boost today, which is just a rangemaster with selectable input caps and a bog standard tone control, its a nice pedal. First treble booster I've built, and it works surprisingly well with my SS carlsbro amp, which I didn't think it would. Having the selectable input caps is a bonus I think, it makes it more versatile certainly. The tone control isn't realy needed imho though.

petemoore

if you put a 10k across the tabs you will get a 9k (I think)
  The 10k pot is a volume pot, and it's wafer connections [lugs 1 and 3] serve as ~10k bias resistor for the collector.
  IIRC  used 87k parallel 12k to make ~10k bias pot with use of 100k pot [which measures 87k.
  parallel resistances are easy to measure.
Convention creates following, following creates convention.

enigmur

So how would I wire this up? I'm a little confuzzled...
Quote from: jlullo on May 02, 2007, 12:37:12 AM
i have to get my hands on some of your germs.  very soon.
Anywhere but here, that would seem odd...

petemoore

  Verifying were talkinga about a pot between collector and V...power supply.
  On the schematic this is shown as 10k.
  Normally a volume control [like dist + volume wiring] can be..whatever value.
  But in the case of the rangemaster, the wafer of the pot is the bias resistor for the transistor collector, 10k [or probably a measured 8k7 or so], if you use a 100k pot, the resistance between lugs 1 and 3 [across the wafer] is 10x bigger than the value shown...certain to throw bias off.
  Usinga 12k resistor in parallel with the potwafer, [connect the 12k fixed resistor across lugs 1 and 3] this should drop the resistance between collector and supply rail to about 10k.
  If you have a 100k pot handy, or use the one in the circuit, put a 12k across lugs 1 and 3, measure the resistance, then try 15k or whatever until you get somehing like 10k there, 8k2 should suffice, 100k is well out of bias parameter for RM.
Convention creates following, following creates convention.

enigmur

I tried a 10K across the pot and it put it in range perfectly, except for some reason I was getting massive volume control between 1-2 and nothing else from 3-10.

My 10k pots arrived yesterday from back-order and I tried one in. Also I found I was using a 160hfe transistor, so I swapped it for an 80hfe.

It sounds perfect now, at 10 it has a nice amount of grit, but it is a much smoother boost. Sounds great for lead or solos where you need a volume kick and to cut thru the sound.
Quote from: jlullo on May 02, 2007, 12:37:12 AM
i have to get my hands on some of your germs.  very soon.
Anywhere but here, that would seem odd...