Enclosure Etching

[markm]

Looks like my etching tutorial ended up here of all places made to look like his ideas?
I'm not really sure but, is it me or is it presented that way?
Wouldn't it have been "easier" to just link to my gallery instead?
I don't understand.

Ya know what they say about people in glass houses.........

http://modman.blogdrive.com/archive/27.html

[John Lyons]

I appreciate your work and time spent here Mark.
You have contributed a lot of stuff, more than I can ever hope to build.
A bummer, yes, don't let it get you down.

John

[remmelt]

He's active on here as well, and I don't think he meant any harm. He got me into using inkjet photo paper instead of pnp blue, a GREAT idea: much cheaper and so far the results are better.

Ah, you know how it goes, everyone wants to make a tutorial. It's not bad even if it's a little redundant. Something about a copy is flattering... Don't worry about it!

For what it's worth, I used your tutorial for my box etch. See the pictures thread!

[markm]

He's active on here as well, and I don't think he meant any harm.

I understand that.
However, one who is so quick to pass judgment on someone else ought to adhere to the same policies they preach otherwise,
they tend to resemble something that everyone has yet, really isn't that pretty to look at in most cases. 

[hairyandy]

Yeah, a little credit where credit is due goes a long way huh?  It's funny how, had he given you credit, you probably would have been stoked, am I right?  Instead it just bummed you out...

Andy

[Pushtone]

It looks like, just another photo essay on etching an enclosure.
Yes the ideas are the same but it is a process that changes little.

There are more than one photo essay and/or tutorial about etching a PCB.
It's a different perspective and it's a wholely different take on it using different media,
that makes it stand out.






MarkM,
No one can argue your work is nothing short of fine craftsmanship. (hope that sounds right, I mean it's real good)
And the tutorial is a virtuous way of sharing something cool to do with an enclosure.

But WHERE did YOU get the idea, and did you give any credit for those before you?
Honestly MarkM, I could have said the same thing about you when you posted your gallery tutorial over a year ago.

I was the first to etch an enclosure using PnP and computer generated art.
After I posted the BSIAB skull etching, Soggybag took it up a notch with his fish graphic on a Reboot delay.(pics sadly deleted)
There where a couple more posting before you came on the scene and took it to a new level.

I admit, at first, I was a little miffed that you beat me to posting a tutorial.
But you did such a good job if it and saved me a lot of work, I was content with it.

I realized the moment I posted the pic and instructions I was giving this away
to the public domain and no credit will ever be returned. You made that same choice as well.

I can't see any reason why you would have a credit due problem with the link.
In the same way I can not have a problem with your tutorial.

Just like you, I gave the technique to the community in return for all the great stompbox projects.

[markm]

But WHERE did YOU get the idea, and did you give any credit for those before you?
Honestly MarkM, I could have said the same thing about you when you posted your gallery tutorial over a year ago.

I was the first to etch an enclosure using PnP and computer generated art.

On the contrary mr. pushtone,
You were the first to post it.
I on the other hand, discovered it quite by accident when while etching a PCB in January of '05 , before even knowing about this place, spilled some FCL onto the bottom portion of an enlosure lid and was horrified at the results.
Well, the rest is history so to speak.
Did I "invent" it.......Hell NO!
So, sure, yes you are the "originator" of this process and I by no means want to take that away from you nor could I honestly care whom it is that wears the crown of the "King of Etch".
You misunderstand me.
I would consider my paint technique to be "fairly original" for the most part and that is what is being implimented on that page which came straight from U-NO-Where!
The reason I brought this to anyone's attention was the fact that this same "kind fellow" who has this "other" tutorial,is in fact the very same person accusing me of "insulting his intelligence" by not linking to a web page so he can have a circuit diagram spoon-fed to him.
Read THIS post again and you will see my intentions are here.

He's active on here as well, and I don't think he meant any harm.

I understand that.
However, one who is so quick to pass judgment on someone else ought to adhere to the same policies they preach otherwise,
they tend to resemble something that everyone has yet, really isn't that pretty to look at in most cases. 

If you truly need to be known as the "first".......Fine, here's your sign! 
I'll even go a step further, if you want credit for any type of influence on my etching technique, I'll slap it on the first section with your name in great big bold letters so that all can see it and you then Sir, you will be forever immortalized in the forever evolving history of DIY and there will be no mistake at all as to whom is the rightful bearer of the royal moniker.

If you makes you happier, Take the whole bloomin' thing......then you can answer the countless e-mails and PM's that come your way asking a question that is clealy outlined in the gallery......some of which I have pre-made answers saved in Notepad just so I don't have to type the same response over & over again.
I'll even send you those files to help you out. 
Take it.....it's yours.

[MetalGod]

I think it's quite a logical progression if you're etching PCBs to try etching boxes - I first tried this around 4 or 5 years back but will admit my results were very poor.  it wasn't till I followed the tutorial that Mark presented till I got good results.

Etching metal using a chemical process is nothing new - I have some artist friends who've been doing this for YEARS and it was only when they saw my pedals that we got to talking about it. 

[markm]

I think it's quite a logical progression if you're etching PCBs to try etching boxes

Agreed.

[zjokka]

Wouldn't it have been "easier" to just link to my gallery instead?
I don't understand.
Ya know what they say about people in glass houses.........
http://modman.blogdrive.com/archive/27.html

I document everything I do on my blog. Maybe if you would have added other members findings to your tutorial there would have been no need for this page. It's really nice how you helped out so many newbies (like myself), but the promotion of the unnecessarily expensive PNP and the violent FeCL inspired my page. Apparently some people even etch using glossy magazine paper.

When I enquired you about it some time ago, I got "I don't have the time to experiment" as an answer. Which is fine.

but thanks for the traffic still
zj

[markm]

Wouldn't it have been "easier" to just link to my gallery instead?
I don't understand.
Ya know what they say about people in glass houses.........
http://modman.blogdrive.com/archive/27.html

When I enquired you about it some time ago, I got "I don't have the time to experiment" as an answer. Which is fine.

Ya know,
I don't remember that.

Maybe if you would have added other members findings to your tutorial there would have been no need for this page.

Did you not read the post to pushtone?
I'm a bit confused by this statement. 
Please explain?

but thanks for the traffic still
zj

Same here.

[Plinky]

  I'm still a noob to this site and DIY effects pedals and  I will say that your tutorial is superior. Your words are coherent and your pictures are proof of your expertise.
I wouldn't worry about it. His end result is not as impressive, which is why I'm using your tutorial to etch my first enclosure. It's a prime example of why it's always best to go
that extra mile, be it in elbow grease or cash. Like a friend of mine said, "If you're gonna be a bear, be a grizzly."


   

[markm]

  I'm still a noob to this site and DIY effects pedals and  I will say that your tutorial is superior. Your words are coherent and your pictures are proof of your expertise.
I wouldn't worry about it. His end result is not as impressive, which is why I'm using your tutorial to etch my first enclosure. It's a prime example of why it's always best to go
that extra mile, be it in elbow grease or cash. Like a friend of mine said, "If you're gonna be a bear, be a grizzly."

I like that!
I wish I had thought of that saying!
Thanks for the kind words and let me know if I can be of any assistance to you.

[jakenold]

If Ibanez share's the same anger over people being inspired by their work, we've got a company of raging engineers over there!

What's with the hostile atmosphere in this forum these days? I'd really like to see less of this bitching (yes, in my oppinion it really is bitching) and people either accept that there is a possibility that someone will capitalize on your idea or make a similar guide (seriously, how bad can that be..) if it's let out into public domain. If it was yours truly and you were the only one who should capitalize on an idea, what's keeping you?

What goes around comes around.

[markm]

ya know what,
Don't even bother......I don't wanna know! 
This has obviously gone over most people's heads now.

What goes around comes around.

Remember those words of wisdom! 

[zjokka]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etching

[markm]

  "The preceding has been brought to you by the History Channel."   

[Barcode80]

who freakin cares who did what first? honestly, some people i don't get...

[jakenold]

who freakin cares who did what first? honestly, some people i don't get...

Exactly. It's like each person calling their fathers, and at the same time getting their rulers ready for the final showdown.

To Mark, Pushtone and all the other etch-o-maniacs, I am sure I can speak for everyone when I say that your help, layouts, designs and tutorials are thoroughly appreciated. I've never etched an enclosure in my life, but I've read both your tutorials more than one, just for the sake of it.

Call me a geek or whatever... I dig that kinda stuff, as well as playing blazingly fast electric guitar.

[zjokka]

who freakin cares who did what first?

I don't. But I just learned you could put a thin layer of wax over your box and scratch out the design.
Medieval PNP !!!

Come on, people. No offense to anyone. If it wasn't for MarkM me too I would never have been etching.
I made the tutorial just because of slightly different techniques but more to complement my pcb etching tutorial. I hope I didn't unknowingly steal it from somebody else :-) I sure know somebody stole it from me, but I'm really happy with that. Really.

http://www.hack247.co.uk/2007/02/23/diy-pcb-etching-using-an-inkjet-printer/