Bazz fuss vero boarded sounding less huge than breadboarded...

[fattcamp]

Hey everyone. You guys recently helped me understand breadboarding and switchable diode sections. I breadboarded a bazz fuzz v3 with a swtc and a low-cut simple mod. I've got the switchable diode section working 100%, but the breadboard sounds much huger than my vero-board setup. Granted, i had to create my own signal chain by eye-balling the breadboard. It doesn't sustain nearly as much and has a fraction of the volume. I'm using all recommended parts plus the 2 mods. i've even build a second one entirely after replacing all individual parts. I'm not sure what i'm doing wrong. At first it was very gated-sounding and i had to hit the trings really hard to get any sound. I resoldered everything to clean it up and it's coming out solid now, but with less volume/fuzz/sustain. I have heard that breadboarding isn't always the best to recreate 100% but this seems a bit extreme. I'm using same switches and everything. all grounds match up. i just made a strip on the veroboard for the ground connections. everything that goes to ground on the breadboard, I just put to that strip on my vero. I can't figure it out. i've taken the diode section and put it on the breadboard and sounded huge so i know it's not the switch/diode section. i replaced all capacitors, resistors.. everything. Should i not have everything going to one ground strip on the vero? the mpsa13 transistor is soldered perfectly as far as i can see. any ideas? (the only difference between the vero setup in the stompbox and the breadboard, is the black battery lead goes to ring on input jack and sleeve goes to ground. on the breadboard, there's just a black lead connected to the ground strip. i've put a cable from input ring to ground on the breadboard and it made no difference. hmmmmmm

DAve

[foxfire]

well, i was gonna say re flow all your joints, but it sounds like you already have. i was also gonna say tripple check the transistor. which i'm sure you have already. everything sounds correct. my money is on the tranny being backwards.

[nightingale]

Hi,
Have you triple checked the resistor value?
I think the mpsa13 version gates less with the 10k resistor.
Hope this helps man,
ry

Gotta love the BF circuit, you could almost take any electrical appliance apart and build one in 10min if you had the jacks and switch handy!

[fattcamp]

Hey everyone. thx for the replies. The transistor is definitely in the correct orientation as it's copied exactly the same as the breadboarded version (and i double checked to make sure). As for the resistor, I'm using the same value (10k) on the breadboard as well. I built the version 3 with the 10k and the mpsa13. It's just wierd that i recreated the entire thing with completely new parts and exact same issue.

[jaytee]

Have you checked voltages on the working breadboard one and compared to the vero one?

[fattcamp]

Fixed it. Since i was breadboarding, the first resistor went from positive volate to a regular strip... the vero had te resistor on the same strip. i know this is very newb... but i'm getting things as they come. so that's a rebote 2.5, an mxr dist+, and a bazz fuss with a low cut/swtc/diode switch. thanks all

Dave

[foxfire]

glad to hear you got it figured out and i apologize for not getting back to you. i just got home from tour and i still haven't really woken up yet.