Figuring out an epoxied circuit?

[R.G.]

Tsk. I guess poor inventors like myself are really in a no-win situation in places like this. if it doesnt work or works sub-par, it's snake-oil. If it does work, it gets reverse-engineered and eventually ripped off.
Anyway, since this seems to be the culture around here, and if I can't beat it I might as well join it. Maybe anyone here got the schematic of the Hermida Zen Drive ? Maybe I can manufacture a few hundred units and help him out with his backlog.
Tsk tsk.

Jobet, I think I speak too frankly and it comes out in a way that seems wrong to you. That was an observation. Whether anyone here reverse engineers your stuff or not, someone will - just like the Zen Drive has already been reverse engineered. No, not by me.

You're patenting your widget. Good. That's the ONLY way to ensure exclusivity legally. To get the patent, at least in the USA, you must describe how the device works in the patent itself. If you get the patent, you have the right to sue others that infringe to insure the exclusivity. But you must publicly document how it works to get the patent. That's the deal the government exacts to provide you with 20 years of exclusivity.

I have been on your side of this question, as you know. Some things I've invented have simply been given away by posting at GEO, including some that I'm sure are patentable. Things that are too valuable to give away, I just keep my mouth shut about. It is simply a fact that if you make a big public splash about your effect technology, you will attract the attention of people who want to see how it works. And I think that much of the content at GEO that you enjoyed was some of the "how it works" stuff about other people's effects, although perhaps much older ones.

You're in a unique position Jobet. You have a pedal that works by what to everyone else is mystical means, using new physical principles that no one else understands. You may be able to patent it and keep others away by force of law. But by far the best thing to do is what I always advise inventors to do - outrun the competition. You're already way ahead of everyone else, right? So use your advantage of being first, and more importantly being smarter to go make the next new innovation. You can leave your competitors in the dust.

Once again, I seem to have offended you. I apologize again, and I will do my best to refrain from commenting on this again. Best of luck with your endeavors, wherever they take you.

[Jobet]

Thanks for clarifying, and thanks for the assurance.

Someone already filed away at a scalarizer unit. It's on one of the last posts of the scalarizer thread (original) at Philmusic. Anybody interested, you're all welcome to look. It's a set of coils wound around a material, either metal, or natural quartz or...others. And yeah, I gave the guy hell for it because it was a betrayal, I let him into my shop as a friend and he yapped it all out. That's spilled milk anyway.

Like I said, everythings there. Testimonials, raves, potshots and as a culmination, the "naked" shots of the contents of the scalarizer.

www.bamfxaudio.com/links.html

and more specifically,

http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,35791.1530.html

Thanks RG. Language, specially written, does have its vagaries.

[Jobet]

In fairness to my lack of understanding though, it was quite leading and easy to infer, or misconstrue an intent on your part reverse-engineer the scalarizer, what with not accepting a demo unit because you won't be able to crack it open.

Heck, this thread itself is about reverse-engineering the scalarizer.

I dunno. Could it be hopeless to make an honest buck with an original idea, or is the threat of lawsuit really the way to go ?

After all, my original family are all in the US. They can sue on my behalf anyway.

Thanks for the GEOfx site by the way. I learned a lot from you.

[Meanderthal]

 I think part of what has been suggested is that with a patent, you own the technology, and that gives you advantages over the guy selling a tweaked tubescreamer-  you would have the ability to license the technology, could bring you in a lot of dough if other folks build and sell this thing and it catches on, in the meantime you get the time to work on R&D rather than spending all your time marketing and manufacturing it... or you could do all of the above if ya wanna be real busy.

That's what I got out of it... Didn't sound like a "Give up" to me...

Filing the patent, peer review, testing, reverse engineering, all of this works towards your benefit... Just like nobody was able to 'steal' the light bulb from Edison, nobody will be able to steal this from you either...

[wlrs]

LMAO I have never seen any one beat around the bush so hard to try to sell something in my life.He should run for office.
How does it ( If it does) change the signal of a guitar?( HUMM did some one ask this already?)just plain how does it do it. No need in goggled links to the theory of sound waves just plain and simple how does it work. Lets see what happens surely he is running out of goggled links by now..

[Jobet]

LMAO I have never seen any one beat around the bush so hard to try to sell something in my life.He should run for office.
How does it ( If it does) change the signal of a guitar?( HUMM did some one ask this already?)just plain how does it do it. No need in goggled links to the theory of sound waves just plain and simple how does it work. Lets see what happens surely he is running out of goggled links by now..

(yawn). It would help you know if you actually back-read the thread.

[Papa_lazerous]

ok who is tired of this link now?

ME................

[Jobet]

What a coincidence. So am I.

[moro]

Wait, so was the original question answered? How DO you figure out an epoxied circuit?

[Jobet]

Ehh. Just wait for the patent to come out. It will be public domain by then.

[geertjacobs]

I have been following this thread and I am actually amazed how civil the basic discussion (outside comments aside) has been.
Without a doubt we'll hear more about the Scalarizer, whether it has an electrically equivalent circuit or not.

[ayayay!]

I like all of you guys.  I won't pretend to know anything when it comes to any of this.  I will say that I tip my hat to the inventing spirit of jobet.  Engineering's feeling more and more like culinary school to me.  Tesla and Edison experimented and experimented.  I think I just regurgitate a proven solution.

+1!

[Jack Collins]

One key to being a good scientist is not to become emotionally attached to whatever the outcome
of your experimenting might be.  That can lead to observational bias.

If you want to see Scalar Waves, for example, you're more likely misinterpret data.

If the suggestion that you're trying to snake oil upsets you, it's time to consider whether or
not you' might be actually selling snake oil.

I've been working as and around scientists (the ones that publish in peer reviewed journals)
for the last 20 years.  They are generally a very ambitious group.  If an avenue of research
seems promising, they will go down it. 

IMHO, if there was anything at all to scalar wave theory, legitimate scientists would be all
over it.

Just my opinion. 

[Jobet]

Hi Jack.

Electromagnetic Standing waves have long been accepted and is in fact a parasitic parameter in transmission media. It can't be measured directly, having no resultant, but it can be measured indirectly using a Standing Wave Ratio meter.

Okay, just to put this matter to rest, here's the bomb.

Till the patent is finished, y'all can think it's snake oil. I don't mind. 

Warmest regards folks. Let's concentrate on doing pedals instead.

[Ardric]

How does it compare to the Bybee Quantum Purifier?  That's what I'm wondering...

http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/1202/bybee.htm

It's another small device that makes everything it's installed in sound better, though it works on a completely different principle.  Or so they say... I haven't heard one myself.    Could these Bybee things really be a scalarizer with black paint all over it, claiming it's their own work?  Or is the Bybee device snake-oil?

[Jobet]

Whew. Thanks. For a while there I thought there was something like the scalarizer already.

No, they're not the same, the bybee operates on the 1/f noisefloor and makes it more musical. The scalarizers act on the f*n frequencies. Fundamentally different ends of the spectra.

But hey, like I said, till I file the PCT application, the scalarizer is snake oil. Let's keep it that way for now.

Is it possible to request for a lock on this thread BTW ? Thanks.

[Ardric]

Oh ok.  I'm not sure I understand the 1/f vs f*n thing, but I'll take your word for it.

Are you really the author of "MLF da Babe", and "MLF da Money", the NLP programs to attract women subliminally and succeed at business?  That's what it says at http://www.powerconsultants.net/aboutus.htm, where you're a Managing Partner with an MBA and BS in EE.  Wow!  I guess with all of that going on plus your scalarizer business there's little time left to research esoteric physics, let alone pick up the guitar.  You're quite the Renaissance man!

Sorry, I don't know anything about locking threads.

Oh, btw... would it be ok for me to use that amazing psychic image as a forum avatar?  May I have your permission?  I'll link it here...

[Jack Collins]

...snip

Is it possible to request for a lock on this thread BTW ? Thanks.

Why would you want that? Think of the sweet vindication you can bring down when you prove
that your device operates on a principle that was previously thought to be snake oil?

Anyway, it's an interesting thread.

[Jobet]

Oh ok.  I'm not sure I understand the 1/f vs f*n thing, but I'll take your word for it.

Are you really the author of "MLF da Babe", and "MLF da Money", the NLP programs to attract women subliminally and succeed at business?  That's what it says at http://www.powerconsultants.net/aboutus.htm, where you're a Managing Partner with an MBA and BS in EE.  Wow!  I guess with all of that going on plus your scalarizer business there's little time left to research esoteric physics, let alone pick up the guitar.  You're quite the Renaissance man!

Sorry, I don't know anything about locking threads.

Oh, btw... would it be ok for me to use that amazing psychic image as a forum avatar?  May I have your permission?  I'll link it here...

.

And I'll be starting with my PhD in Technology Management next school year. Thats when I cannot pick up my guitar anymore.  Obviously these worlds do not need to collide. And my NLP'ing days...they seem too long ago.

[Jack Collins]

Oh ok.  I'm not sure I understand the 1/f vs f*n thing, but I'll take your word for it.

Are you really the author of "MLF da Babe", and "MLF da Money", the NLP programs to attract women subliminally and succeed at business?  That's what it says at http://www.powerconsultants.net/aboutus.htm, where you're a Managing Partner with an MBA and BS in EE.  Wow!  I guess with all of that going on plus your scalarizer business there's little time left to research esoteric physics, let alone pick up the guitar.  You're quite the Renaissance man!

Sorry, I don't know anything about locking threads.

Oh, btw... would it be ok for me to use that amazing psychic image as a forum avatar?  May I have your permission?  I'll link it here...

.

And I'll be starting with my PhD in Technology Management next school year. Thats when I cannot pick up my guitar anymore.  Obviously these worlds do not need to collide. And my NLP'ing days...they seem too long ago.

So what was the science behind MLF da babes?