Is this sustainer DIY able into stompbox ???

Started by rogeryu_ph, February 24, 2008, 04:15:26 AM

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rogeryu_ph

Guys,
This is the infinite sustain i'm looking for :icon_biggrin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxEw_08eQ4s&feature=related
I thought RossComp sustain guitar like this that's why I built one :(

Any advise, suggestion or link is highly appreciated.
Roger


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Quote from: rogeryu_ph on February 24, 2008, 04:15:26 AM
Guys,
This is the infinite sustain i'm looking for :icon_biggrin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxEw_08eQ4s&feature=related
I thought RossComp sustain guitar like this that's why I built one :(

Any advise, suggestion or link is highly appreciated.
Roger



i dont think thats a Fernandez sustainer
cause all he is doing is the same thing that a feedbacker pedal does, which merely makes a tone that replicates the single note that you play after the real note dies (unless it something different), doesnt work on chords i think

get a Fernandes Sustainer, which has a special pickup that creates an infinite magnetic field that that makes the strings vibrate infinitely

or build something similar/better into your guitar
http://www.storm-software.co.yu/diy/index.php?project=sustainer

and by the way, the blowing on the guitar thing and and licking it does not turn the sustain on, you can see him flip a switch when he does it
Open Your Mouth, Heres Your Money

rogeryu_ph

http://fernandesguitars.com/2k5/fsk101sm.jpg

It has a circuit isn't it? they called it sustainer driver. If one can only know the schematic and redesign the concept it's possible isn't it?
Calling all expert "FP of tonepad, RG, Paul Marossy, Mark H, Jack Orman and many other.. Help....

or anyone who has similar circuit design like this one.

Roger   

ambulancevoice

Quote from: rogeryu_ph on February 24, 2008, 05:40:57 AM
http://fernandesguitars.com/2k5/fsk101sm.jpg

It has a circuit isn't it? they called it sustainer driver. If one can only know the schematic and redesign the concept it's possible isn't it?
Calling all expert "FP of tonepad, RG, Paul Marossy, Mark H, Jack Orman and many other.. Help....

or anyone who has similar circuit design like this one.

Roger   

no, cause the sustainer needs the special pick up wired straight from the guitar in order to work properly
its designed to be built right into the guitar
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rogeryu_ph

Wow... good link, ambulancevoice.
I got all the bill of mat's :icon_biggrin:

Roger

rogeryu_ph

oh.. but doing winding pickup is not my forte :icon_mad:

earthtonesaudio

You could probably do it with a stock pickup, but the "sustaining" action might be reduced.  If you don't want to re-wind a pickup, first try un-winding your old pickup, and running it like that.  386-based amps can drive a load down to 8 ohms, but a larger load works fine as well.  Might not be as "sustainful" as a properly matched coil, but you could fine-tune it easily (just unwind some more).

rogeryu_ph

Can someone explain or elaborate the principle and the design of this sustainer ???

Roger

earthtonesaudio

Basically, it works like feedback, except:

guitar signal goes into a little amp
little amp outputs into a pickup coil (instead of a speaker) which is located just under the strings.
the pickup coil produces an electromagnetic field that is in phase with your string vibrations, causing them to be more exaggerated.

You could get the same thing to happen with a miniamp attached to your guitar, right under the strings.  It's basically like feedback, but much easier to control because the distance and amplitude are easily adjustable.

The Tone God

Quote from: rogeryu_ph on February 25, 2008, 03:44:27 AM
Can someone explain or elaborate the principle and the design of this sustainer ???

There are lots of threads on this topic. Do a search for things like "sustainer" and "ebow". The upshot is you can certainly put the driver circuitry in a pedal, while it is not the best idea, but you still need a specially wound pickup to do any kind of a decent job which obviously you can't do in a pedal. A stock pickup will not do the job to any satisfaction.

Andrew