Tube Screamer - very low volume on effect

Started by the monroe transfer, November 18, 2008, 07:39:33 AM

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the monroe transfer

Hi all.  Here's a quick problem with a Tube Screamer- when the effect is switched on, the volume is very, very low.  The pots seem to be controlling the effect parameters fine but, as I say, at very low volume.

I'm using this layout here...
http://www.tonepad.com/getFile.asp?id=81

No modifications, as such- I'm using the TS808 components, and 3 diodes for asymmetrical clipping.  Is there something obvious I should be looking for, or shall I get to measuring all the voltages?



petemoore

Is there something obvious I should be looking for, or shall I get to measuring all the voltages?
  Only as obvious as something you could sense..
  I would skip right to the voltages after a cursory observation period, looking for ob faults.
Convention creates following, following creates convention.

the monroe transfer

#2
Whoops.  I'm debugging a board I made sometime last year, and forgot I used polarised electrolytic capacitors, instead of the non-polarised ones.  Could that be making a difference?  The circuit doesn't actually need bipolar capacitors, does it...?

EDIT:  Yes.  Yes, of course it does.  What a stupid thing to say, and do.  Now I just need to find some non-polarised capacitors...

the monroe transfer

Well, I've found some non-polarised electrolytic capacitors, and replaced them.  Unfortunately, that hasn't changed the lack of effect, so here are some voltages in case someone can help me.  The layout is here (http://www.tonepad.com/getFile.asp?id=81)

(battery voltage 8.66V)

JRC 4558D (from this datasheet- http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/rc4558.pdf)
1- 4.31V
2- 4.50V
3- 4.25V
4- 0.00V
5- 8.71V
6- 4.32V
7- 4.32V
8- 4.28V

Transistors (2N3904, pins labelled from here- http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/datasheet/nationalsemiconductor/DS013058.PDF)
Q1- C- 8.69V
      B- 4.28V
      E- 3.68V
Q2- C- 8.68V
      B- 4.28V
      E- 3.68V

Do I need to go on, or are my errors obvious already...?


the monroe transfer

Bump, with some embarrassment, but I have a decent chunk of today in which I could fix it...

oskar

Quote from: the monroe transfer on November 26, 2008, 12:27:15 PM
1- 4.31V
2- 4.50V
3- 4.25V
4- 0.00V
5- 8.71V
6- 4.32V
7- 4.32V
8- 4.28V

pin 8 should be more like pin 5 from above and vice versa. Are you shure you didn't write them down in wrong order?

the monroe transfer

Yes.  That's exactly what I've done.   :icon_redface:

Pins 5-8 are in reverse order.  Whoopsie.  Does that mean that the IC and transistor voltages are ok?  Should I move on to...well, everything else?

oskar

Go audioprobe on it...
You should find the problem really fast.
My guess is the inputwire...

oskar

Mixing up Ra and Rb would off course lower the volume considerably...     :P

GibsonGM

+1, hit it with the probe, make it talk to you!!  It'll tell you where it's hurting...
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the monroe transfer

Time to share more embarrassment.

As I mentioned, I started building this last year, got sidetracked and stopped.  I'm now debugging it.

And I can't imagine what I was doing.  I'd put seemingly-random value resistors in some places, caps were in the wrong way round...ugh.  Just all-round idiocy.  Double and triple-checked all the components, and everything seems to be fine now. 

The lesson I've learnt here is that the idiot I am now is very different to the idiot I was last year. 

Thanks for the help, all. 

n