what's the best buffer?

Started by ninjadave7, May 18, 2009, 10:58:42 AM

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ninjadave7

i built the amz jfet buffer and it sounds good but there is a definite sizzle in the signal at the end of notes that doesn't exist when it's not inline.  fyi, i play a les paul classic into a buffered bypass strip into a goodsell super 17.   i know this is a fairly basic jfet buffer (but a good one) but what other designs or augmentations to the amz are there that might be cleaner?  i tried the opamp amz but it seemed a little dull compared to the jfet.  is the VS puretone buffer or the lovepedal buffer much different?
david L

Auke Haarsma

A bit off topic, but..: so you are running a buffer into another buffer. Why?

solderman

Quote from: ninjadave7 on May 18, 2009, 10:58:42 AM
i built the amz jfet buffer and it sounds good but there is a definite sizzle in the signal at the end of notes that doesn't exist when it's not inline.  fyi, i play a les paul classic into a buffered bypass strip into a goodsell super 17.   i know this is a fairly basic jfet buffer (but a good one) but what other designs or augmentations to the amz are there that might be cleaner?  i tried the opamp amz but it seemed a little dull compared to the jfet.  is the VS puretone buffer or the lovepedal buffer much different?

I inserted the Op-amp buffer from http://www.muzique.com/lab/buffers.htm in my 42 box
and I'm not experiencing it as dull. rather the opposite. very linar and not interfering at all with the tonal source. I used a 100nF poly in cap and a 10uF E-lyte out cap.
 


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R.G.

Best buffer?

In general, a JFET or CMOS input opamp running from +/-15V supplies. An exception is the NE5532 running from +/-15V.

Opamp = clean as long as (a) it's a modern high bandwidth opamp, not an old 741 style and (b) you never, ever let any signal push it into power supply clipping, even momentarily. This gives a degree of transparency and clean signal drive that is simply impossible for a one- or two-transistor device to do.
R.G.

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ninjadave7

Quote from: Auke Haarsma on May 18, 2009, 11:12:55 AM
A bit off topic, but..: so you are running a buffer into another buffer. Why?

sorry if i worded that weird, the buffer in the bypass loop is the buffer i built.

Quote from: solderman on May 18, 2009, 11:14:52 AMI inserted the Op-amp buffer from http://www.muzique.com/lab/buffers.htm in my 42 box
and I'm not experiencing it as dull. rather the opposite. very linar and not interfering at all with the tonal source. I used a 100nF poly in cap and a 10uF E-lyte out cap.

maybe it would make a difference if i used higher quality parts then?

Quote from: R.G. on May 18, 2009, 04:17:49 PM
Best buffer?

In general, a JFET or CMOS input opamp running from +/-15V supplies. An exception is the NE5532 running from +/-15V.

Opamp = clean as long as (a) it's a modern high bandwidth opamp, not an old 741 style and (b) you never, ever let any signal push it into power supply clipping, even momentarily. This gives a degree of transparency and clean signal drive that is simply impossible for a one- or two-transistor device to do.

i was powering the opamp buffer from a voodoo labs pp2+, those are just 9v outputs unless you switch them, in which case i think they're 12, would it help to power it off the 12v output or is there another way to get around 15v?  would that be beneficial to the orman design?
david L

solderman

Quotemaybe it would make a difference if i used higher quality parts then?

I used  half of a lm358 only cause I had a bunch in stock the rest is standard components nothing special.
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