One more JFET sensation from Russia

Started by DDD, January 13, 2010, 08:38:14 AM

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DDD

The article introduces one more attempt to emulate vacuum triode clipping with N-channel JFET.
The main idea is to use NJFET with low cutoff voltage as 0.2-0.6 Volts with low POSITIVE (not negative, but positive!) bias on its gate. Power supply is 9 Volts.
The article contains some practical preamp circuits and very impressive sound clips. It's worth to be written for sure.
Link:  http://gtlab.net/gtlab4/archives/415#more-415
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dschwartz

IIRC, some peavey transtube amps have a similar approach, providing positive bias to some of the stages...although they later replaced fets for darlingtons for consistency.

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R.G.

Quote from: dschwartz on January 13, 2010, 10:15:34 AM
...although they later replaced fets for darlingtons for consistency.

Doh!!! CONSISTENCY!!!  OH!!!!

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R.G.

In response to the questions in the forum - PCB Layout for Musical Effects is available from The Book Patch. Search "PCB Layout" and it ought to appear.

DougH

Another year, another 'new & improved' JFET circuit that emulates tubes...

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stm

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Thanks for posting the link Dmitriy.  The russian to english translation allows understanding some of the explanations behind.
I understand that from the 2nd JFET and beyond J201 is an adequate candidate.  What about the first FET (KP303B)?  I guess it has higher pinch-off voltage as it is located at the front-end.  Do you have a datasheet or some basic spec to find an adequate substitute? (like J202, 2N5457, MPF102, etc)

DDD

The stages with the positive gate bias utilize JFETs with the possible lowest cut-off voltage (0,2 to 0,6 Volts) and    I drain = 0,2 to 0,6 mA  at U gate-source = 0
Russian КПС104А matched NJFET pair is a very good candidate (pls see the article schematics). Author also recommends correspondingly selected J201, 2SK118R and 2N4338.
What about КП303В: it has higher cutoff voltage about 3 Volts and can handle guitar attack signal without full cutoff of the drain current.
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mac

stm,
i use 2sk117 toshiba, avarage vgs=0.45v, more gain than j201, bf254a, mpf102.
also 2sk170/184 toshiba.

i tried viktor kempf diode trick between gate and source and i was pleased with the results.

mac
mac@mac-pc:~$ sudo apt install ECC83 EL84

stm

Thanks for the info.  So, based Vgs(off) of 3V a 2N54598, 2N5459 or MPF102 would be adequate for the first transistor, where a J201, or even better, a 2SK117 would be adequate for the remaining stages.

Now the trick is where to buy 2SK117Y, as the Y suffix correspond to the ones with lower Vgs(off).

DDD

Pls don't forget of the FET drain current at Ug-s=0.
Also, the idea of the positive gate bias is based on the Victor Kempf's idea of shunting gate-source FET terminals with the Shottky or Ge diode (due to their low voltage drop). But here author utilizes positively (initially) biased gate-source junction instead of the discrete diode.
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mac

QuoteNow the trick is where to buy 2SK117Y, as the Y suffix correspond to the ones with lower Vgs(off).

Just 8 blocks away from my apartment! :)

Do a search in Mendoza, (muchos mendocinos compran en Santiago y viceversa)
http://www.todoar.com.ar/r/Mendoza/Electronica/

mac

mac@mac-pc:~$ sudo apt install ECC83 EL84

stm

Quote from: DDD on January 14, 2010, 03:00:34 AM
Pls don't forget of the FET drain current at Ug-s=0.
Regarding the first JFET, you mentioned around 3V cutoff voltage but no Idss for Ug-s=0.

DDD

КП303В  NJFET
U cutoff = 1,5 to 4,0 Volts (most often 1,8 to 3 Volts)
Idss = 1,5 to 5,0 mA   for Ug-s=0
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caspercody

Mouser shows NTE458 as a replacement for 2SK117Y??

caspercody

MAC, what diodes did you try between gate and source?

mac

Since Vcc/forward_voltage_drop has to be as higher as possible I used 1n5819. See my gallery.

mac
mac@mac-pc:~$ sudo apt install ECC83 EL84

stm

Quote from: mac on January 14, 2010, 07:06:02 AM
QuoteNow the trick is where to buy 2SK117Y, as the Y suffix correspond to the ones with lower Vgs(off).

Just 8 blocks away from my apartment! :)

Do a search in Mendoza, (muchos mendocinos compran en Santiago y viceversa)
http://www.todoar.com.ar/r/Mendoza/Electronica/

mac
Thanks for the tip Marcelo!

caspercody

Does anyone think this method would be a big improvement in sound? I have made the JCM800, Dr Boogey, Diefet, and Plexizer and wondering if these ideas would change the sound any closer to a tube sound than those mentioned.

mac

IMHO you will get best results by going higher voltage than experimenting with exotic biasing techniques.

mac
mac@mac-pc:~$ sudo apt install ECC83 EL84

puzzle87

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Quote from: caspercody on January 19, 2010, 07:45:44 PMDoes anyone think this method would be a big improvement in sound? I have made the JCM800, Dr Boogey, Diefet, and Plexizer and wondering if these ideas would change the sound any closer to a tube sound than those mentioned.
You can find the answer to this question independently.  ;)
Try, it is absolutely simple.

PS
The authors of article aspired to get a good sound from 9V power supplies.

caspercody

I have made up some pcb layouts for some of these in Eagle. I am not sure when I will get to them, but if anyone wants them pm me with email address.