DEBUGGING! - Ibanez TS9 mod gone wrong...

Started by elenore19, February 17, 2010, 11:30:43 PM

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elenore19

This was the first pedal that I ever brought a soldering iron to...That being said...
I ONLY replaced the chip..then it didn't work. Then I placed the original back in, still didn't work, then tried new chip and it still didn't work.
One thing I most likely did was put one of the chips in the wrong way during the swapping. So what might this have affected? Otherwise I don't have any pictures of my specific pedal.

First off...My huge soldering mistake. First pedal mod and I just jumped right in...So I destroyed the board a little. Here's a pic.
Ignore the colored circles.

Debugging:
1. No sound.
2. Ibanez TS9
3. I had just started the Monte Allums Tri-Gain mod for the TS9. The thing is I had only replaced ONE part before it stopped working, and now I can't figure it out...
Schematic of stock TS9 http://www.goldhand.com.pl/audio/gitara/efekty/tube_screamer.gif
Link to Monteallums site. http://www.monteallums.com/pedal_mods.html
4. No modifications except for I replaced the chip with a socket and then a new chip. Then it stopped working...So I put in original chip...still didn't work, then bought a brand new chip (actually 3 of them...) and it still didn't work. So here I am.

Measurements.
First here's a pic I found on the internet...I labelled the parts as I measured them. Not sure of the actual order to measure them...Criticism is welcome. Hopefully this is enough info for you guys to help :)


Here's a picture of how I labeled the transistor leads.
Couldn't figure out how to make this smaller. Sorry about this.

Q1
A - 3.49V
B - 9.16V
C - 3.92V
Q2
A - 5.8V
B - .539V
C - .54V
Q3
A - .571V
B - .589V
C - 1.195V
Q4
A - .571V
B - .694V
C - 1.289V
Q5
A - 4.55V
B - this would go up to 186.6mv then switch to .56V the start back over at zero...and keep doing this...
C - 4.55V
Q6
A - 4.35V
B - 123mV
C - 4.55V
Q7
A - 3.54V
B - 9.16V
C - 3.97V

IC
1 - 9.16V
2 - 4.57V
3 - 4.57V
4 - 4.56V
5 - 0.1mV
6 - 4.56V
7 - 4.52V
8 - 1.597V

Diodes (a=the striped side of diode)
d1
a - 4.56V
b - 4.53V
d2
a - 4.56V
b - 4.53V
d3
a - 60.1mV
b - .668V
d4
a - 4.37V
b - .746V
d5
a - 5.55V
b - this would go up to 186.6mv then switch to .56V the start back over at zero...and keep doing this...
d6
a - .636V
b - never settled on a single number. All over the place.


elenore19

One more thing...
Not too sure how old the pedal is, but I figure that doesn't really matter. I just want to get it working, with the new chip due to the old chip being ruined.

aron

Are you sure that you have the IC pins measured as shown?

http://www.diystompboxes.com/pedals/ampins.GIF

See how your pin 8 which is supposed to get 9 volts or so, is way too low. Pin 1, which should be output, is too high.

MmmPedals

it looks to me like you have some bad connections there. if you can see a hole add solder.

elenore19

Quote from: aron on February 18, 2010, 02:52:45 PM
Are you sure that you have the IC pins measured as shown?

http://www.diystompboxes.com/pedals/ampins.GIF

See how your pin 8 which is supposed to get 9 volts or so, is way too low. Pin 1, which should be output, is too high.
Yeah, I must've measured them backwards. (Oops)
Quote from: MmmPedals on February 19, 2010, 08:37:43 AM
it looks to me like you have some bad connections there. if you can see a hole add solder.

Which ones have bad readings?
The chip? Transistors? Diodes?

Thanks for the help!

kungpow79

Quote from: elenore19 on February 17, 2010, 11:30:43 PM
So I destroyed the board a little.

More like a lot.  That board is  :icon_sad:  How is your iron?  Is it clean?  New?  Small enough tip?  Hot enough?  I believe 3 of the 8 pads don't look like they enough solder at all, on your pic 1,2, and 4 counting from the left.  Actually another one above pin 1, looks like a raw lead sticking out, but actually no solder on it.  I think you need to look up how to solder and/or practice.  There are plenty of resources here, or on the web.

From the single pic you present, and what you describe, the only thing wrong I can see is the soldering. 

elenore19

Quote from: kungpow79 on February 21, 2010, 03:39:00 AM
Quote from: elenore19 on February 17, 2010, 11:30:43 PM
So I destroyed the board a little.

More like a lot.  That board is  :icon_sad:  How is your iron?  Is it clean?  New?  Small enough tip?  Hot enough?  I believe 3 of the 8 pads don't look like they enough solder at all, on your pic 1,2, and 4 counting from the left.  Actually another one above pin 1, looks like a raw lead sticking out, but actually no solder on it.  I think you need to look up how to solder and/or practice.  There are plenty of resources here, or on the web.

From the single pic you present, and what you describe, the only thing wrong I can see is the soldering. 
Yeah, this was my first project a while ago, and this is the first time to get around to tryin' to fix it.

What I did wrong was thought that I didn't have all the old solder off, and then destroyed the traces around there. I was told I could just solder the leads to nearby traces, which is what I did. It's just a giant mess because the solder doesn't find the trace to connect with. But I'll go back over the joints and make sure I have enough solder and everything.
Thanks for the input.