Caps and resistors for "Thor" at "Runoffgroove"

Started by pd3, June 06, 2010, 01:43:04 PM

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pd3

Hi, sure appreciate your time.
I like to hear some suggestions from you on component types and brand names before I fill the order.
Particularly, capacitor and resistor types for "Thor"(Marshall Superlead Tube to FEt conversion pedal) from "Runoffgroove".
I've built a number of my own pedals for professional use but, have never done long experimentation and A/B comparsons using
different types of caps and resistors.  I see that many have done these comparisons and have opinions on what may perform
better for them for the various functions in the circuit.  It appears that folks are using film caps for signal coupling and 
filtering caps,(say, ranging around .022uF to 10-20uF or so),  Electrolytics for power fitering duties as in the two 100uF caps in
the "Thor" schematic.  I am a bit foggy to whether folks are going for ceramic or silver mica for caps in the pF range.
(the "Thor calls out for a couple of 220pF, 470pF and 1000pF).
I'm hoping that with your recommendations I can get beyond this "analysis paralysis" and get the order in!! I have a gigs
coming up that I'd love to have this pedal ready for.  Its a one off for professional use so I'm not really concerned with saving money.
I'll spend a extra buck on a cap if it has a possibility off out performing a cheaper one in terms of tone, especially.
(low dialectric absorpsion,ESR and inductance, etc...).
I'm assuming the recommendations for many distortion pedals whould also apply to this one I plan to build so, some of my questions have been:
-For signal caps, What type of film caps are we referring to, polycarbonate?, polypropelyne?, do they still make polystyrene?
Is there a brand and type number specifically that sticks out?
Are folks liking Panasonic for the power filter caps? (100 uF)?
For this "marshall-in-a-box" pedal, are silver mica good or, are decent ceramics fine? Are there good ceramics for this?(the pico
Farad caps)?
If some conserations are a matter of preference, then a safe bet recommendation will be fine. I only have your experience to go on for now. 
Maybe somewhere up the road I'll cut time for alot of experimentation and make my own tweaks.
If this pedal will come 80-90% close to the "Thor" sound clips on "Runoffgroove", It will be a success.
Please excuse my rambling, I'm just really eager to get this tone in my arsenal and be prudent in the quality of the components I put into it.
(Oh, any coments on resistor types,brands will be appreciated!)

Thank you for your recommendations, I'll looking forward to this!

Phil

stringsthings

i haven't built Thor so ....

.... if i was putting this one together, i would try silver mica for those 470pf caps between Q1 and Q2 .... and maybe that 1000 pf around the IC .... i'm not picky about brand on silver micas since not as many places stock them .... 

resistors :  i'd go for some 1/4 watt 2% metal films if you're buying new .... otherwise, i'd go with whatever i had ( up to 5% carbon film ) ....

electrolytics:  Panasonic makes good stuff

best of luck on the build !

pd3

Thanks Stringsthings.  With that, I can feel better about the smaller caps and the 100uF power caps.
Now, just would like to get focused on the middle range caps.   Some articles seem to claim that the the polystyrene, polypropanol and polycarbonate would make good contenders for the .01uF to 20uF range.    Still feel a bit shaky about those but, lets see if anyones else could pop in to clarify some more. 
I do see all the claims to stay away from Tantalums for coupling caps and those associated with signal.
Thanks!
PHil

B Tremblay

Well, the three I built have used carbon film resistors, Panasonic ECQ-B caps and Xicon for the electros.  Don't sweat it too much.
B Tremblay
runoffgroove.com

cpm

you'd better get resistors that resist, and capacitors that capacitate. Don't be a cheap on that

pd3

Hey, thanx Carlos, I see you just couldn't "resist".   Does this also mean my transistors should transist?  I don't Know anything that does that. But if they do, maybe I'll end my FETish with FET's.  Sorry, I just couldn't transist.
Thank for the input folks.  The sweat is beginning to evaporate.

thanks, Phil

cpm

Quote from: pd3 on June 07, 2010, 07:18:04 PM
Hey, thanx Carlos, I see you just couldn't "resist".   Does this also mean my transistors should transist?  I don't Know anything that does that. But if they do, maybe I'll end my FETish with FET's.  Sorry, I just couldn't transist.
Thank for the input folks.  The sweat is beginning to evaporate.

thanks, Phil

back to the topic of fetishes...
you just got me with this on hands:
http://sound.westhost.com/articles/capacitors.htm

after reading that, i would advise to choose caps for their cool colors    ;D

stringsthings

Quote from: pd3 on June 07, 2010, 07:18:04 PM
Hey, thanx Carlos, I see you just couldn't "resist".   Does this also mean my transistors should transist?  I don't Know anything that does that. But if they do, maybe I'll end my FETish with FET's.  Sorry, I just couldn't transist.



that's "pun-knee" !   :icon_mrgreen: :icon_mrgreen:

pd3

Well, looks like I'm going to "keep it simple stupid" for the order. Just going to go to Small Bear, make all the Picos silver mica, make the 100uF's Panasonic Electrolytic, and all the rest the low voltage poly's.   I'm getting two of each of the Fets and IC's to have em for another build some day. Maybe to try different component types for the interest of it.  So, thats the plan. Anyone want to give me some friction on this, your darn opinions are surely welcome. (or, sorely welcome if I havent had my coffee). 
This site is really cool. I'm having fun yet.

Phil