3 in 1, buffer, true bypass, madness...

[ppatchmods]

I searched the forum but don't even know what i'm searching for... i built an amz mosfet, klon clone, & bsiab2 in a 1590dd. the problem i'm having is the buffer on the klon. to buffer of not to buffer...that is the question. it is stuck in the middle of the other two circuits and i wired it the way i think i should. is there an easy way to keep the buffered part on and still wire it to work well with the other two TB circuits? i used the 2 in 1 wiring from GGG. should i just make it true bypass and skip the buffer? i think the buffer makes that circuit unique.  thanks

[jkokura]

I think I've heard that some of the charm of the Klon is the buffer. In the least, this buffer will not 'suck tone' (whatever that means) in comparison to all the other pedals that do have terrible buffers.

You don't need to worry too much about it. Wire it the same as you would normally wire it. The other pedals being true bypass won't hurt or cause you problems. So many guys have them on their pedal boards, and fairly early too, and they all seem to love it enough to spend a grand on it.

Jacob

[ppatchmods]

my problem is wiring the other 2 pedals with it to the same in/out jacks. can i wire it with the buffer straight to the input jack and still have the other pedals to the same jack?

[jkokura]

It's pretty simple. Treat each switch the same you would any other single pedal. The input jack connects to the first switch like usual, and then that first switch's output that would usually go to the output jack instead goes to the next switch's input that would usually be attached to the input jack. So it goes like this:

Input jack > first switch input > first switch output > Second switch input > Second switch output > Third switch input > Third switch output > Output jack.

Even though the Klon is not true bypass, it still utilizes a bypass and has input and ouput connections just like any other switch. Stop thinking it's different, and you'll be fine - it's no different than any other switch.

Jacob

[ppatchmods]

the reason i posted this is because it didn't work that way. the klon uses a dpdt and the input from the board doesn't go to the switch at all. i tried wiring as you said and not only did it not work, it caused the boost to fade in when the boost switch was engaged. i thought maybe someone had doe it before. thanks for the help. i will fool around with it tonight.

[jkokura]

That sounds more like there's another problem in there.

Truth told, I haven't done it, I just know enough about the circuit that it shouldn't be a problem. I didn't know you had tried it and it hadn't worked.

Does the circuit work outside of the pedal? One way to avoid problems like this is to test your pedals before wiring them up. It saves you the hassle of trying to debug both the circuits and the wiring, all after you've got it neatly and nicely into your enclosure.

I would verify first that your Klon is working fine your boost is working fine. Then when you've got the circuits working correctly you can wire them together and begin to work out how to wire it. I don't see why it shouldn't work right, but if it doesn't it would be very good to share that here.

Which layouts are you working from?

Jacob

[ppatchmods]

it is the vero layout from the "other" forum. it sounds really good but i'm getting about 1/2 output...very low volume. all the controls work great. there is a 4.7uf cap on the end before the output and i have seen some with 1uf's there. would that make the volume drop? i would think it would just affect the bass response. i'll try to like the layout...
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