cassette looper>>>>> w/ feedback looper?

[fakepiano]

yo! im new. got a question!
direct me to an old thread if there is one...

ok, i want to replace (or at least supplement) my boss rc loopstation with something cassette based. i use a couple of different walkman echos, distortions, routing box... so yeah, trying to phase out anything that can be replaced by tape/walkman based ideas.

i use a mixer and a routing box, but i want this looper to sit in an effects chain with other pedals. it needs to bypass the dry sound constantly, but to allow a mixxing in of the loop that gets recorded to the cassete. i was drawing up ideas and it occured to me maybe to just make one of these feedback loop pedals (eg;  http://skywave.hostcentric.com/deathbyaudio/totalsonicannihilation.html)

lovely short list of different schems here:
http://www.beavisaudio.com/techpages/PedalHacker/index.htm

anyway, i have never actually used one before, and i was wondering if using one of these, with a recordable walkman plugged between the send/return (with the mic/headphone jacks on the walkman) would get the desired out come? my main concern was; do these bypass the input constantly as well as mix the send/reurn loop? or, as i suspect, do they simply switch bewteen routing the signal either bypassed, or through the send/return...
hope thats understandable!

so yeah, i basically dont want to use the feedback looper for heavy pedal noise feedback stuff, but as a device to facilitate the recording and looping of samples on tapeloops while keeping the signal through the pedal chain flowing.

any recommendations/ alterations to schematics in the beavis link?

thanks!!!

[petemoore]

yo! im new. got a question!
  ok, i want to replace (or at least supplement) my boss rc loopstation with something cassette based.
  Cassette is mentioned in previous threads, IIRC it went like: it is possible to make a tape: constant record/playback. Altering the time constants to even get 'the one' type of echo'd be difficult and hit or missy. Strong emphasis on difficult, messy and ~iffy.
  I use a couple of different walkman echos, distortions, routing box... so yeah, trying to phase out anything that can be replaced by tape/walkman based ideas.
  I'm not sure what a walkman echos is, although I've skimmed some reads involving walkman hacks along these lines. I'm not able to describe any of it, but would definitely start here [skip the tape-thing] if walk-echo looked even remotely promising.   
I use a mixer and a routing box, but i want this looper to sit in an effects chain with other pedals.
  Especially with distortion, but anyway delay based efx tend to do well 'late' or last in chain.
   it needs to bypass the dry sound constantly, but to allow a mixxing in of the loop that gets recorded to the cassete. i was drawing up ideas and it occured to me maybe to just make one of these feedback loop pedals
  Hafta say the loop pedal is possible where the cassette has been rethought over and passed by, mainly because the mechanical requirements for cassette involved amazing design of lots of little bits n' pieces, for mass production it was a way to make cassettes. There was the echoplex and similar tape echoes, also rather 'expensive' in design/production.
  I had same idea some time ago, watched others post similar threads, unfortunately 'tape' isn't widely used, doesn't 'circuit bend' easily [do something other than record/playback.
  The idea that a cylinder type tape/playback might be easier [see GEO Echorech] to work with than tape feed/routing, especially if head 'time slide', multiple heads were needed for varying and indexing to increased delay times.
  A cassette 'loop' is possible IIU it correctly [I never succeeded], it involves score-tearing the back edge of the cassette, removing all but the loop-length of tape, splicing the tape loop...I would guess a 7 second loop cycle and the tape would wear out very fast w/record/tape/record/tape.
  Placing the tape reels vertically, a third reel can be hung from the long loop [extends outside the feed and takeup reels, down, 1/2 way around the 3rd loop hanging] and will spin while keeping tape tension...free floating except for the tape loop...we ran a horror tape loop for halloween using a reel to reel tape player, the loop over the left reel, under the hanging reel, around the right reel, we had to tape closed the tape-end auto-stop lever.
  Old Sony with catseye level meters somehow was routed to make echo, simple if you can find the right...
  Finding tape decks that even play consistantly through both channels and have no mechanical tape-feed problems was mostly miss for me, a lot of oysters but no pearls [bottom feeding/scavenging that is]...bought belts for one of the newish and nicer Akai tape-cassette recorders...still slowed down.
  I gave up mostly on the tape deck, the old Tube Tandberg  RtR sure wouldda been nice...there just ain't no parts for these things anymore.

[fakepiano]

yo! cheers for the words

although i was looking for just a comment on the feedback-loop pedals... the description of the rest of my gear was just to offer a good picture of the set-up in which this issue sits, not for feedback on how to plug in a delay.... haha, cheers though. i've been making tape loops for the last 10 years, so im pretty ok on those.... yeah, all the things i mentioned have no problem whatsoever, i just dont know how these feedback pedals behave with their signal paths...

cheers!