someone upped this on "another" forum...worth a look!!!!!

[pinkjimiphoton]

dudes!!!! my bro has one, been in his garage from a trade back in 1980,

working out the details now, i may be able to trade him one of my firebirds for it...

i'm waiting to hear back from him....holy fugging sheet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[digi2t]

Guess someone upstairs heard my prayers 

Jimi, I agree with you insofar as building clones are considered. Would go a long way to saving wear and tear on the originals. Besides, now we`ll be able to compare notes on trimpot settings, sound, etc. Would also give wanna-cloners a good resource.

On another front, I found an amp shop in Colorado on the net, which lists itself as having experience in servicing/repairing these babies. I fired off an email to them asking (politely... very politely ) if he had any info he would be willing to share with us. No reply as of yet, but I`m back to praying again.

I also noted that another thread has started on this baby. Jimi, you seem to have poked a lot of folks in the ass with this sucker. Good... the more, the merrier. I have a feeling that we better brace ourselves for a flood of PM`s.

[digi2t]

Just wondering out loud here.

I wonder if we could condense, and marry, the boards together, if we could shoe-horn this sucker into a Morley style pedal/enclosure. Use 16mm pots, and mini switches and all. It seems to me that the box part of a Morley is quite large. There are 4 foot switches surrounding the pedal on the original, one of which is the bypass (I think). The bypass on the Morley is under the pedal, so one down, only 3 to place. Or, piggyback a 1590A box onto the lower edge for the 3 remaining switches.

Any thoughts?

Dino

[pinkjimiphoton]

thanks dino...the prayers worked!!

still waiting to hear back from steve, but if i'm lucky, i'll be able to trade some stuff off for it.

man!! i wish i still had my micro moog!! that's what this pedal was really meant for, to interface with analog synths.

when you get yours, be careful...these things have about a 15 watt preamp in them, and can blow up stuff ya plug in if ya run it too hot.

as for pm's, when i get it, they will be welcome.

when i get the piece, if it works still, and even if it doesn't, (and even if all i can do is look at it, if he doesn't decide to give it up) i'll take pics and try to get as much detail as possible...voltages, connections, etc.

i WANT this thing to be available to everyone....screw paying a couple grand on ebay to some scuzzball that doesn't care what they got and is just trying to make as much coin as possible.

this needs to be in the hands of musicians, and be used, not sit in some collection in japan or whatever.

as they say...stay tuned!!

[puretube]

...

I also noted that another thread has started on this baby.

Dem dudez don` click anymore...


Ya saw teh date of dat thread, and what reply#39 waz all about

[digi2t]

Got a reply from Glen, the guy in Colorodo. Here it is;

Hello dino,

I also don't know of any 'setup' manual for these.  I have developed a minor alignment for a few of the trimmer adjustments out of necessity to repair one pedal that one function wasn't working, but haven't messed with the rest of them.  As many adjustments as there are, it's better to leave those 'sleeping dogs' alone until the need arises.

I think one guy who sent me one to repair researched it & there are only something like 200 ever made & only a  handful know to still exist.

Most of the issues with these comes from bad  connections & dirty switches.  Frankly with these pedals if it's working, I wouldn't mess with the internal adjustments.

Yes I also have the schematics, tho they are a bit difficult to follow from the pedal board to the top control board.  We've got that pretty much worked out, tho.

We can certainly perform all the P.M. on the pedal of the things we know are or become issues.

Thanx, glen

All in all, pretty cool dude. I'm pretty sure that he's right about what could go wrong with it. Basically, anything mechanical should be verified, babied, or strengthened. Other than that, should be bullet proof. Still, we should get careful measurements of any and all parameters in stock form.

We're gonna break this sucker wide open. I know it.

[pinkjimiphoton]

the biggest obstacle was the footswitches were impossible to replace back in the day...that was why i gave mine up. now, they are easily replaceable.
they're pretty much built like tanks, so with a little luck...

i'm imagining, we're gonna wanna use rotary pots rather than the original slider pots, as they are a lot more use-worthy.  and it may be hard to make the switches change color...
but screw the eye candy, function is always more important than appearance!

man....waiting for steve to call me back is fu**in' killin' me!!!!!!

[digi2t]

the biggest obstacle was the footswitches were impossible to replace back in the day...that was why i gave mine up. now, they are easily replaceable.
they're pretty much built like tanks, so with a little luck...

i'm imagining, we're gonna wanna use rotary pots rather than the original slider pots, as they are a lot more use-worthy.  and it may be hard to make the switches change color...
but screw the eye candy, function is always more important than appearance!

man....waiting for steve to call me back is fu**in' killin' me!!!!!!

Dude... how do yu think I feel? I gotta wait until June for freak sake. My only solace is that the GT PRO AND the Geiger Counter showed up today. That should keep my squirming little toad of a mind occupied for a while.

Actually I saw a post a while back where a guy had clear dice pot knobs lit up with LED's. It was really cool. I think it's in the photos section. Personally, I prefer function over form. Hell, I don't even bother painting or labeling any more. Leaves everyone wondering "What the hell kind of pedal is THAT!!!". Drives my nephew up the wall.

[pinkjimiphoton]

lol...i hear ya bro.

but think about it...i've known this guy for over 30 years, and been looking for this thing, and he's had one the whole time!!
lol

it's all good tho, i got some projects to keep me occupied in the mean time...hang in there brother!!!

it's all gonna be good soon!!!

maybe we can do a collab and record an album featuring the ludwig, and make enough cake where we can buy the other 198 of 'em...lol

[digi2t]

Actually, funny you mention the collab thing. I was driving home from work today, and I had a bit of a mind bender. I thought it would be cool if someone would come up with and record a riff, or a loop, featuring one of their diy pedals. Then post it, making it available to the rest of the community. Anybody who wanted to, would then be able to download it, and add a track(s) to it, but (here's the kicker), it would have to be with a different diy pedal(s). They could either layer the same riff, or harmonize to it, whatever. Then, like a chain, someone else could add to it, and so on.

Not only would it get everyone playing together, but it would be interesting to hear all the different sound textures come together. A bit like the 1000 monkeys, with 1000 typewriters, writing Shakespeare theory 


And no... I was not drinking while I was driving 

[pinkjimiphoton]

lol...cool idea! 

[Ry]

Ok, here is a link to scans of the switch info I have (sorry that I'm not clever enough to figure out how to embed images right now):

https://picasaweb.google.com/Ryland.Hoffman/LudwigSwitchInfo?authkey=Gv1sRgCKTO9dHH0c2qhgE#

Ry

[pinkjimiphoton]

RIGHTEOUS, BRO...THANK YOU!!!!!

gonna be wheelin' and dealin' tomorrow...wish me luck!!! 

i'll up the scans...i doubled their size, so they're probably humongous..

[digi2t]

Doing some research on the illuminated knobs and switches.

http://www.rapidonline.com/Electronic-Components/Switches/Toggle-Switches/SPST-Illuminated-toggle-switch/74543

and I think that the knob job I saw is here; http://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/index.php?topic=36392.14140 , I hope. I`m at work, and the server is blocking the images.

There is this; http://www.mouser.com/catalog/629/535.pdf
http://www.alpha-products.com/cd_catalog/news/Illuminated%20pots%20&%20encoders/illuminated%20pots-n-encoders.htm
http://www.alphapotentiometers.net/html/illuminated_slide_pot_1.html


Cheers,
Dino

[pinkjimiphoton]

the switches look hip! no pic in that page tho...the knobs on it are all sliders.

gonna call steve momentarily...wish me luck!!

[pinkjimiphoton]

SCHAWINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I GOT THE PEDAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'M PICKING IT UP NEXT WEEK AT A GIG I'M PLAYING, TRADING MY OLD TELECASTER FOR IT!!!

and dig....when i build the guy a clone, i get my freekin' guitar back!!!

how wack is that sh**?

and...it appears it was the one i thought was lost in the crash in arizona...he traded it from the guy about the time it was supposedly lost...

gotta fix one footswitch, and the formant switch is broken, but working.

dude....i am blown away...
all this from dino's prayer and some good karma for a charitable act.

almost enough to make my agnostic pagan ass believe in god.

anyways...will have pics and deets, and will answer any and all possible questions when the time comes!!!!

i am fugging freakin right the fugg out!!!!!!!!!!!!

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehawwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[digi2t]

CONGRATS DUDE.  Glad I could help.

Now we got to get cracking on a clone so you can get your Tele back. JEEEEEZZZZ I can`t wait to get mine. I`m really looking forward to cracking that sucker open, and comparing notes with you.

I`ve been contemplating enclosures, and I came across this; http://www.pedalenclosures.com/Products/tabid/69/c/Prism-II-enclosures/CategoryID/5/Default.aspx

Maybe with a treadle on top in the center.

[pinkjimiphoton]

 

those look great, i just wonder if they'll be wide enough?

can't wait to get this thing cloned, and pump some out for friends. maybe we could offer it in a kit form down the road or something for those who don't wanna
go thru all the hassle of sourcing parts.

and if r.g. is as right as he usually (read: always, lol) is, we may be able to even simplify the circuit and come up with an improvement!!

i can't believe how much i've already learned on the forum...and i learn more every day!!

wellp...talk later brother, i just got back with parts to clone a magnavibe....yes, i'm an addict!

[artifus]

hi guys, avidly following this thread!

re: box/treadle - how about a simple jack exp pedal input?

*edit* which could also be used for ldr/lfo type input?

[pinkjimiphoton]

good idea, actually...but would be nice to have it all in one unit for durability.

i was kinda thinking a metal box, sloped front, with a crybaby shell bolted right to it.