Fuzz Face attempt 3...,

[MrTonesNZ]

Ok, ive got a pnp germnium here.

Q1
C: 8.9
B: 9
E: 9

Q2
C:4.82
B:8.9
E:9

What's going on here friends?

[MrTonesNZ]

Am getting a sound, and it is fuzz, but i have to turn up to 11 to hear it. on the amp and the gat

[John Lyons]

I think you are missing a ground trace.
Q1 Collector should be around 1 volt.
And the emitter should be 0v as well as
Q2s emitter.
Are you measuring from ground to each transistor's
leg or from -9v. Red battery should be ground and where
your meter probe red should be. The black probe should be
on the transistor leg.

John

[MrTonesNZ]

I think you are missing a ground trace.
Q1 Collector should be around 1 volt.
And the emitter should be 0v as well as
Q2s emitter.
Are you measuring from ground to each transistor's
leg or from -9v. Red battery should be ground and where
your meter probe red should be. The black probe should be
on the transistor leg.

John

Oohh, Ok i might just try that again. I had black to neg on batt, and was using red probe to mesure

[MrTonesNZ]

ok. NEW MESURMENTS

Q1:
c 1.8
b 0
e 0

Q2:
C 4.15
B 1.8
e 0

[John Lyons]

Looking better. 
I misspoke on Q2 emitter. It should not be zero but some voltage.
Q1 base should be at least some voltage. Check your soldering, may be a short
between base and emitter.

[MrTonesNZ]

should i be getting any volts on the input? Not getting aything on ether side of the cap

[LucifersTrip]

should i be getting any volts on the input? Not getting aything on ether side of the cap

Yes, the other side of the input cap = Q1 base.
Here are some sample voltages from GGG:

Q1 Collector 1.4v
Base 0.6v
Emitter 0.0v

Q2 Collector 4.5v
Base 1.4v
Emitter 0.8v

[petemoore]

  Need a schematic reference, say PNP pos Gnd. [standard for Ge's..
   The black wire should be the 'supply' wire
    the + side of the battery should connect to 'Gnd.' with +Gnd. FF, best way is to follow through with the DMM, test that the +pole of the battery connects where 9V+ is shown.

[MrTonesNZ]

Here's the schematic i'm using.

[MrTonesNZ]

I'm getting 0. volts on the input, and i think that could be the problem. But what is my solution?

[MrTonesNZ]

Fixed the bias a bit, and that rectified  volume a wee bit, but still very quiet. However when plugged in front of another pedal (doesn't have to be turned on) It's like the most discustingly amazing fuzz tones I've ever heard. I keep having this same problem time and time again and I can't understand why! Driving me completely mental  I've even managed to bias it to the general guitar gadgets specs, and still get quiet. Is it normal for a FF to have such a volume drop? Or am i still screwing it up? And since i love the tone so much after an effect, is that because the other pedal is acting as some kind of buffer? If so, i may try to attach an input buffer. Somebody please put me out of my misery

[aron]

That's a positive ground circuit. You should have negative voltages, not positive I believe.

[MrTonesNZ]

That's a positive ground circuit. You should have negative voltages, not positive I believe.

Not if the red probe is connected to pos-gnd. I get negitive volt's if i do it the other way, it's just the same except with"-" next to it. That sound right to everyone else?

[MrTonesNZ]

That's a positive ground circuit. You should have negative voltages, not positive I believe.

Sorry Aron, You obviously know what you're talking about, was i right about wht i've said though?

Just going by what john said

[Joe Hart]

Yes. If you flip the probes, you should get the same numbers just with a negative sign in front of them. So that's not really a problem. But, technically, they should be negative numbers.
-Joe Hart

[Electric Warrior]

Here's the schematic i'm using.

Output cap should be .01µF instead of .1µF, but that's not related to the volume issue..

[MrTonesNZ]

Here's the schematic i'm using.

Output cap should be .01µF instead of .1µF, but that's not related to the volume issue..

Yea i've noticed that looking at other schematics, what difference DOES it make?

[Joe Hart]

Output cap (and input cap) alters the frequencies that are let through the circuit. Tone shaping.
-Joe Hart

[LucifersTrip]

Here's the schematic i'm using.

Output cap should be .01µF instead of .1µF, but that's not related to the volume issue..

Yea i've noticed that looking at other schematics, what difference DOES it make?

the larger, the more bass...but back to the problem...you wrote: "I've even managed to bias it to the general guitar gadgets specs, and still get quiet. "

Do you now have near correct values for voltages on Q1 & Q2 ?  You no longer have 0 on both sides of the input cap?