Acrylic lacquer over enamel ... Possible ?

Started by DavenPaget, December 22, 2011, 09:27:53 AM

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DavenPaget

I have got myself a Kangaroo Orange Enamel-based paint can for my pedalboard and have been wondering ,
Is the acrylic epoxy lacquer by RJ London be possible to apply over the enamel paint without cracking or such shit ?
i also got myself a can of RJ London "Synthetic High Gloss Paint" in Black and have no clue whatsoever what kind of paint it is ...  :icon_rolleyes:
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R.G.

The problem with (insert type) lacquer over enamel is the solvent in the lacquer. It dissolves the enamel, as you know.

The easy (hah!) way to do this is to put on a coat of clear [something else that doesn't wrinkle enamel] to protect the enamel, and then lacquer over it. Clear epoxy that's not lacquer based or catalyzed urethane (I think) will do it. Then you can put on the top coat.

As always, the way to find out is to spray a dot of liquid from the top coating can, then wipe it onto the existing color in a hidden place. If it wrinkles there, you have to find another solution. If it doesn't you can spray away.
R.G.

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DavenPaget

Quote from: R.G. on December 22, 2011, 12:23:19 PM
The problem with (insert type) lacquer over enamel is the solvent in the lacquer. It dissolves the enamel, as you know.

The easy (hah!) way to do this is to put on a coat of clear [something else that doesn't wrinkle enamel] to protect the enamel, and then lacquer over it. Clear epoxy that's not lacquer based or catalyzed urethane (I think) will do it. Then you can put on the top coat.

As always, the way to find out is to spray a dot of liquid from the top coating can, then wipe it onto the existing color in a hidden place. If it wrinkles there, you have to find another solution. If it doesn't you can spray away.
Haha there RG ! Clear epoxy ... Any brands i should look out for ? My paint shop nearby is so limited i only have Dulux , Nippon , RJ London and probably not any clear epoxy at all ...
Update : Since the can of enamel paint had been painted with orange enamel paint on the top , i decided to try it .
Update #2 : Thankfully it didn't wrinkle , apparently this is a acrylic epoxy lacquer ... probably is a clear acrylic epoxy .
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Earthscum

If you are doing solid color over solid color, you could use a primer first. Lots of primers are made for adhering to multiple materials, and should provide a nice solid, worry free paint job. Old automobiles used to be painted with Lacquer, and when EPA stepped in and said "No no no... that stuff has bad fumes", paint manufacturers had to come up with ways to repaint lacquer-finished vehicles without having to strip the entire thing down. They succeeded... unfortunately, they haven't been able to make enamels match the lacquers. Nothing like Lacquer paint, IMHO. So, most common spray-can primers are already formulated to work over the top of different materials. Should have no problems spraying a general acrylic enamel primer over the top of an epoxy coat.

TEST IN A SMALL AREA, THOUGH! Like R.G. said... test, first, in a small area. I haven't had any problems ever using a primer between different paints, but that's not to say... I don't want to be responsible for an ugly pedalboard... mine's ugly enough!
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DavenPaget

Quote from: Earthscum on December 22, 2011, 12:44:06 PM
If you are doing solid color over solid color, you could use a primer first. Lots of primers are made for adhering to multiple materials, and should provide a nice solid, worry free paint job. Old automobiles used to be painted with Lacquer, and when EPA stepped in and said "No no no... that stuff has bad fumes", paint manufacturers had to come up with ways to repaint lacquer-finished vehicles without having to strip the entire thing down. They succeeded... unfortunately, they haven't been able to make enamels match the lacquers. Nothing like Lacquer paint, IMHO. So, most common spray-can primers are already formulated to work over the top of different materials. Should have no problems spraying a general acrylic enamel primer over the top of an epoxy coat.

TEST IN A SMALL AREA, THOUGH! Like R.G. said... test, first, in a small area. I haven't had any problems ever using a primer between different paints, but that's not to say... I don't want to be responsible for an ugly pedalboard... mine's ugly enough!
... It's not a solid color , but it's a clear acrylic epoxy lacquer .
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R.G.

"clear" = good
"lacquer" = possibly to likely bad

Spray a dot on cardboard, swipe  bit of the liquid on an inconspicuous or normally hidden spot and see.

Or find a can that does not say "lacquer".
R.G.

In response to the questions in the forum - PCB Layout for Musical Effects is available from The Book Patch. Search "PCB Layout" and it ought to appear.